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 Post subject: Re: Fox Hunting
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:45 pm 

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X Isle wrote:
There's only one thing marginally more odious than toffs in uniform riding around the countryside claiming their rights are more important than anything else...

....left wing crusty juggler towny hunt sabs driving around the countryside claiming animal rights are more important than anything else.

To the protagonists the issue is less about animal welfare and more about class war... but least the former are in their natural environment when they are doing their thing.


Strange post. Who are you to decide what reason activists dedicate their time and energy to hunt sabbing? Do animal rights activists tackle the cosmetics industry for purposes of class warfare too? Why do these guys adopt vegetarian diets if all they primarily care about is annoying toffs?

A lot of hunt participants FYI are working class, particularly the terrier men.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:08 pm 
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I have always lived in the country, my abhorrence of Fox hunting is nothing to do with class, it is all about the unnecessary brutality of the “sport”.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:23 pm 
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Balham_Green wrote:
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I couldn't care less about some mythical class war, I DO however care about the respect of animals.

Anyways, we won, no animals will now be killed again for sport.

What a shame we can't seem to stop the killing of between 2.5m and 3.5m sharks per year. Remember, if the apex predator dies, the ocean could die, if the ocean dies, the planet dies.

Scary uh?



Out of curiosity how would the ocean die?


The sharks are the apex predator, take them away, another species will take their place, that other species will have different feeding habits who knows what that will bring (loss of plankton etc).

Here's a bit of the Red Lion Fish (as an example)- Terrifying.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep32169

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:05 pm 
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IJN wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
IJN wrote:
I couldn't care less about some mythical class war, I DO however care about the respect of animals.

Anyways, we won, no animals will now be killed again for sport.

What a shame we can't seem to stop the killing of between 2.5m and 3.5m sharks per year. Remember, if the apex predator dies, the ocean could die, if the ocean dies, the planet dies.

Scary uh?



Out of curiosity how would the ocean die?


The sharks are the apex predator, take them away, another species will take their place, that other species will have different feeding habits who knows what that will bring (loss of plankton etc).

Here's a bit of the Red Lion Fish (as an example)- Terrifying.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep32169

How many foxes died each year through hunting compared to large animals killed on British roads? Banning fox hunting was only about Blair trying to be popular and give his party's class warriors something to beat their chests about. And so many people still think that New Labour and Blair were right wing!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:14 am 
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Fox hunting should be banned as it is a barbaric "sport" that has no place in a modern society. It is utterly irrelevant to compare the numbers killed this way to the numbers killed on the roads.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:31 pm 

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Quinny wrote:
Fox hunting should be banned as it is a barbaric "sport" that has no place in a modern society. It is utterly irrelevant to compare the numbers killed this way to the numbers killed on the roads.


Totally agree


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:19 pm 
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It’s a weird hangover from the past. Bear baiting, badger baiting, dog fighting & cock fighting have thankfully passed into History or are at least now just the preserve of a violent criminal under class. But Fox hunting like Spanish bull fighting has always had a ritualistic element to it where whole communities came together – rather than just a raucous crowd of drunken blokes gambling - so like it or not (and I most certainly don’t) it does have a cultural aspect which in fairness I think should be acknowledged. I do kind of get it why some people see it as an attack on their traditional way of life and even understand (up to a point) why they enjoy it – not the actual killing of the fox but the whole event thing. However, when push comes to shove I take the same attitude I do towards halal meat – whatever the cultural sensitivities may be if something is wrong then it’s wrong – and something that causes a prolonged period of great distress to fully sentient mammal followed by a horrible and painful death IS JUST PLAIN WRONG.


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I don’t think anyone would have an issue with drag hunting to maintain the pageantry and visual spectacle, just the barbaric nature of the chase and kill.

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Yep, that's fine but anyone who enjoys killing another animal is sick.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:39 pm 

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NorfolkGreen wrote:
I don’t think anyone would have an issue with drag hunting to maintain the pageantry and visual spectacle, just the barbaric nature of the chase and kill.



If drag hunting was not fox hunting in real terms, their followers would not keep violently attacking sabs for no reason.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:47 pm 
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Yep, that's fine but anyone who enjoys killing another animal is sick.


What about a wasp ?

Surely you've had the satisfaction !

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:12 am 
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Knibbsworth wrote:
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I don’t think anyone would have an issue with drag hunting to maintain the pageantry and visual spectacle, just the barbaric nature of the chase and kill.



If drag hunting was not fox hunting in real terms, their followers would not keep violently attacking sabs for no reason.

...and vica versa.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:20 am 
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NorfolkGreen wrote:
I don’t think anyone would have an issue with drag hunting to maintain the pageantry and visual spectacle, just the barbaric nature of the chase and kill.


I have a problem with drag hunting, and that's the loophole in the current hunting ban. As it stands, if hounds on a drag hunt pick up the scent of a fox then the hunt cannot be prosecuted if the hounds catch and kill the fox. Consequently drag hunts take place where the hunts know there are foxes.

The only way to make drag hunting work would be to legally mandate that all hounds wear a muzzle, but even that won't stop them chasing foxes (or deer) to the point of death from exhaustion.

Nah: ban hunting, and all that pagentry and trappings of privilege.

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