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Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 12:04 02 Sep 2019
by mervyn
It’s interesting how friendships gravitate towards those of similar views. Nearly all my friends are left of centre, which is frustrating for discussion because there is only occasional disagreement.

One thing we are divided on though is the likelihood of Brexit, deal or no deal, and the the possibility of rejoining the EU when we return to a mainly centrist government. I feel that whatever the outcome of the next few weeks, inevitably leading to an election, the whole make-up of the commons will change beyond recognition, with an alliance of centre left/right parties dominating. This is on the assumption of Tories remaining divided, losing all their Scottish seats and some to the Brexit party (if they remain a force after the wrong sort of Brexit in their view), and labour being considered unelectable under Corbyn.

If we’ve Brexited, but have a government comprising a coalition of any mix of labour/lib dems/greens/independents/SNP then a rejoin would appear a distinct possibility. Strictly speaking newcomers are required to join the Euro, which I’m sure would be waived in our case. Having said that, after the economic mess caused by Brexit, joining the Eurozone might be welcomed, despite the system’s many shortcomings.

Is this all fanciful thinking? Give me an opinion.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 12:30 02 Sep 2019
by Frank_Butcher
mervyn wrote: It’s interesting how friendships gravitate towards those of similar views. Nearly all my friends are left of centre, which is frustrating for discussion because there is only occasional disagreement.

One thing we are divided on though is the likelihood of Brexit, deal or no deal, and the the possibility of rejoining the EU when we return to a mainly centrist government. I feel that whatever the outcome of the next few weeks, inevitably leading to an election, the whole make-up of the commons will change beyond recognition, with an alliance of centre left/right parties dominating. This is on the assumption of Tories remaining divided, losing all their Scottish seats and some to the Brexit party (if they remain a force after the wrong sort of Brexit in their view), and labour being considered unelectable under Corbyn.

If we’ve Brexited, but have a government comprising a coalition of any mix of labour/lib dems/greens/independents/SNP then a rejoin would appear a distinct possibility. Strictly speaking newcomers are required to join the Euro, which I’m sure would be waived in our case. Having said that, after the economic mess caused by Brexit, joining the Eurozone might be welcomed, despite the system’s many shortcomings.

Is this all fanciful thinking? Give me an opinion.


I agree that 'the whole make-up of the commons will change beyond recognition', but I don't agree there will be 'a government comprising a coalition of any mix of labour/lib dems/greens/independents/SNP'.

This will be a Brexit GE and the message is going to have to be crystal clear. The Remainers are fragmented - Libs, Greens, SNP and some percentage of Labour who have no idea what to do. Like it or not, the Tory leadership has established a clear identity on Brexit and I suspect it will be enough to consolidate the Brexit Party vote and gain a majority. But the Commons will look very different.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 12:52 02 Sep 2019
by signalspast
I think the next election will revolve around whether we are out or not. If we are not out there will be a massive vote by leave voters. Labour seats are divided 148 to 84 in leave areas favour. Many of these seats the Tories would never win and I can see the Tories and Brexit party combining where the Tories do not field anyone in these seats. As Frank said the pro camp are to divided in what they want and in the last few weeks the liberals and labour have shown they wont work together. If were out prior to next election small leave alliance. If not out large leave alliance

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 13:18 02 Sep 2019
by Ade the green
I’ve done a 180 regarding Brexit and wish to leave and leave under Boris’ vision.

Only after we’ve left and we’re having to suffer rationing and possibly a return of rickets can we contemplate rejoining the EU and promise never to be so bloody stupid again.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 13:35 02 Sep 2019
by mervyn
Hmmmm. Since my OP the BBC is reporting a 5pm cabinet meeting to discuss a snap election. Surely a pre Oct 31st GE will cause the Tories to haemorrhage seats to the Brexit party. Seems an odd strategy, unless they’re planning a Tory/Brexit Party alliance.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 13:38 02 Sep 2019
by mervyn
Ade the green wrote: I’ve done a 180 regarding Brexit and wish to leave and leave under Boris’ vision.

Only after we’ve left and we’re having to suffer rationing and possibly a return of rickets can we contemplate rejoining the EU and promise never to be so bloody stupid again.


Funnily enough AtG you’ve just written word for word my wife’s opinion.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 13:41 02 Sep 2019
by Frank_Butcher
mervyn wrote: Hmmmm. Since my OP the BBC is reporting a 5pm cabinet meeting to discuss a snap election. Surely a pre Oct 31st GE will cause the Tories to haemorrhage seats to the Brexit party. Seems an odd strategy, unless they’re planning a Tory/Brexit Party alliance.


Other way Mervyn - BXT Party to Tory. That is the strategy, i.e. "Boris is the only one who can deliver it, and all those Remainy types are being undemocratic". Just a few more % of BXT Party votes and the Tories should secure a majority.

Worst case they will be biggest party and team up with the BXT Party - if they have to. At that point the Tories would really have lurched to the right.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 14:25 02 Sep 2019
by mervyn
Frank_Butcher wrote:
mervyn wrote: Hmmmm. Since my OP the BBC is reporting a 5pm cabinet meeting to discuss a snap election. Surely a pre Oct 31st GE will cause the Tories to haemorrhage seats to the Brexit party. Seems an odd strategy, unless they’re planning a Tory/Brexit Party alliance.


Other way Mervyn - BXT Party to Tory. That is the strategy, i.e. "Boris is the only one who can deliver it, and all those Remainy types are being undemocratic". Just a few more % of BXT Party votes and the Tories should secure a majority.

Worst case they will be biggest party and team up with the BXT Party - if they have to. At that point the Tories would really have lurched to the right.


I think you may be right.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 15:24 02 Sep 2019
by Ave_IT
May I venture a longer term view – well beyond the next election and the one after…..when this useless bunch of politicians have shuffled off the stage to the derision they deserve.

Assuming we do Brexit in one way or another ……….. over the next few generations I’ve little doubt the UK will edge closer and closer to the EU economically and politically simply because it makes sense for both sides. You’ve only got to look at the bleedin’ map to see there will be an inevitable pressure for people and goods to move freely without the cost and inconvenience of borders between us. There will be a pressure both economic and social & culturally. The younger generation voted overwhelmingly for Remain – they don’t have the same flag-waving inclination of our older generations. The demographics are changing steadily every day unless you believe they will somehow inevitably change their views as they age.

Politically there will be pressure too ….. like it or not the world is forming into blocs – the US, China, Asia, Russia, the Indian sub-continent – even moves for South American and African countries to have a unified front. I believe the EU is our logical political home of like-minded smaller countries that can join in a mutual self-interest where we can exert a big influence and stand up to those other blocs. Yes – it means compromises and agreeing to rules and regs to make the whole thing work ….. but the alternative is for us to try and go-it-alone in the globalised world of big players as a country of just 65 million …. or rather 55 million as the UK breaks up into its component parts.

In the end money and political gravity will talk – and England will re-join the EU in some way or other whatever happens in the coming months ….. hopefully well before I turn my toes up.

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 15:38 02 Sep 2019
by Frank_Butcher
Or be the European annexe of the United States of America ......... (mischievious)

Re: Rejoining the EU, and joining the Euro?

Posted: 20:45 02 Sep 2019
by The Doctor
Frank_Butcher wrote: Or be the European annexe of the United States of America ......... (mischievious)


Not mischievous at all. I’ve thought for a long time that Britain has been on a steady path towards becoming the 51st state of the union.