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Summit Outcome?

Poll ended at 16:02 14 Dec 2009

The chance for change will be grasped
13%
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Nothing good will come of it
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Total votes : 24

Copenhagen Summit

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by Green Rhino
» 16:02 07 Dec 2009


It is an over-priced, over-hyped, waste of time, energy and expectation or is there a genuine chance for the world to turn a corner?

If it is the latter, will the chance be taken or spurned....? so here's a poll

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by oggyale
» 19:53 07 Dec 2009


I think the dodgy e-mails/leaked material are going to play a huge role in this summit. So it should be interesting indeed.

I don't think nowt will come from this summit to be honest. Shame that that is,but there you go.

Certain Countries are skeptical and won't be won over,not even when a senior Met Office employee states that we only have 10 years to address this issue. ''Is that the so called tipping point,10 years time'' ??.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.

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by Peter Sanders
» 10:53 08 Dec 2009


The carbon footprint generated by all the bigwigs flying to the conference is bigger than any savings that may be generated. Reminds me of work when we each received a three page document suggesting ways to save paper.
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by Andy_Lannie
» 12:29 08 Dec 2009
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oggyale wrote: I think the dodgy e-mails/leaked material are going to play a huge role in this summit. So it should be interesting indeed.

I don't think nowt will come from this summit to be honest. Shame that that is,but there you go.

Certain Countries are skeptical and won't be won over,not even when a senior Met Office employee states that we only have 10 years to address this issue. ''Is that the so called tipping point,10 years time'' ??.

Why worry, you'll be rescued.

what is a senior met office employee, a 60 year old doorman ?

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by The Doctor
» 12:57 08 Dec 2009
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Humphrey Dumpty wrote: The carbon footprint generated by all the bigwigs flying to the conference is bigger than any savings that may be generated. Reminds me of work when we each received a three page document suggesting ways to save paper.


That's simply not true.

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by oggyale
» 17:05 08 Dec 2009


Man On Earth (CH:4) was interesting last night. Stating that the Earth's climate has gone through many changes. In today's WMN it says the last decade has been the warmest on record.
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by Peter Sanders
» 17:17 08 Dec 2009


The Doctor wrote:
Humphrey Dumpty wrote: The carbon footprint generated by all the bigwigs flying to the conference is bigger than any savings that may be generated. Reminds me of work when we each received a three page document suggesting ways to save paper.


That's simply not true.


It is if they dont agree any savings
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by oggyale
» 18:02 08 Dec 2009


The Yanks have come to the conclusion that climate change/greenhouse gases endanger Human life.
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by mike_gss
» 18:47 08 Dec 2009


oggyale wrote: Man On Earth (CH:4) was interesting last night. Stating that the Earth's climate has gone through many changes. In today's WMN it says the last decade has been the warmest on record.


Didn't see the programme but they are quite right - the Earth's climate has been much hotter and much colder than present, not once or twice, not even several times in the past, but many times in the past.

Sea levels have been much higher than they are now (with, for example, all of Britain submerged except for the Welsh & Scottish mountains and probably Dartmoor) and much lower with the continental shelves exposed.

Unless you're an absurd, fanatical creationist there is plenty of good evidence for climate change in the geological record. None of it was caused by man-made agents.

The WMN is, however, wrong. This may be the warmest decade "on record" as far as meteorological records go presumably (what's that? a couple hundred years?) but in the geological record (4.6 billion years) Earth has been plenty warmer than this before.
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by The Doctor
» 19:54 08 Dec 2009
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Humphrey Dumpty wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Humphrey Dumpty wrote: The carbon footprint generated by all the bigwigs flying to the conference is bigger than any savings that may be generated. Reminds me of work when we each received a three page document suggesting ways to save paper.


That's simply not true.


It is if they dont agree any savings


Ahhh... sneaky!

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by mike_gss
» 16:56 09 Dec 2009


penzancepirate wrote:
mike_gss wrote:
In the geological record (4.6 billion years) Earth has been plenty warmer than this before.


Especially when it first blew up. :roll:

By the way, Mike, why are you calling it a geological record .... this 4.6 billion years malarky ?.


Er... the evidence of past climate change that's preserved in the er... geological record? :?

Last time I looked 4.6 billion was the fairly well-accepted age since the formation of the earth (except in 32 out of 50 US Sates of course :lol: )

I'm a geologist PP (in case you hadn't figured it already). There's plenty of evidence in the geological record (that's the hard stuff you walk on when out of doors) to show quite drastic changes in earth's climate before man (and mammals even!) first set foot here. No self-respecting geologist would ever deny that climate change has not happened before. What this particular geologist is disputing is that the climate changes we are presently seeing are down solely to man-made factors.

Also, the amount of climate change politicians are talking about in terms of increased temperature and sea-level rise are small potatoes when compared with changes that have occurred in the past and you don't have to look very far to see the evidence.
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by LostPilgrim
» 17:18 09 Dec 2009


mike_gss wrote: Sea levels have been much higher than they are now (with, for example, all of Britain submerged except for the Welsh & Scottish mountains and probably Dartmoor) and much lower with the continental shelves exposed.


Well that's alright then. I thought we had something to worry about... :evil:
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by oggyale
» 18:12 09 Dec 2009


I believe that this latest crisis,or whatever you wish to call it,has both natural and Human elements to it.

The climate is warming,that is obvious. But to pin it all on Mankind is a little extreme. There are plenty of natural reasons also,tilt of the Earth,Solar storms,natural gases seeping into the atmosphere etc-etc.

I do agree that Mankind has pumped much c..p into the air at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and beyond. I am also aware that the Earth has gone through many climatic changes pre-Industrial Revolution.

Human kind have only contributed to this crisis since the 1800s?,possibly the 1700s too?.
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