Paven wrote:PAFC94 wrote:Paven wrote:Quinny wrote:Paven wrote: Exactly. So prove to me why there is no God.
Happily - once you've proved to me the non-existence of the tooth-fairy
But the two are completely different. For example, we know when a child loses a tooth the parent will remove the tooth and perhaps replace it with money under the pillow in the next morning. That is of course the role of the 'tooth fairy'. However, the role of God is supposedly to maintain existence and create the universe (or whatever) but we aren't aware of who or what created that.
To me a God creating the universe would make sense, it fills the gap of human knowledge that I doubt we'll ever be able to effectively explain. Until we can, I don't feel comfortable to judge whether God exists or whether he doesn't exist.
That's an argument from ignorance. You're saying we don't know how the Universe created it so it must have been God. I'm sorry it doesn't work like that. There is no more or no less chance that the universe was created by a spaghetti monster as opposed to a God. The bible is not evidence for God no more than Harry Potter is proof of Wizards. And until we do know the answer the default position is to not believe in a God until proven wrong.
Blimey, try reading it first before hammering on your keyboard. We cannot ever be sure about who or what created the universe and as a gap in our knowledge it makes sense to fill it with the idea that there is something beyond our realm of experience/knowledge/etc that did create the universe. It keeps the mind at peace.
I'm a very passionate agnostic but actually believe some aspects of religion can be good, even if not agreeing with the core beliefs. I've often found prayer/meditation/etc is a very effective calming method, I used to struggle a lot with stress until I started and ever since I did I've been a much more relaxed individual. I understand this bit doesn't have any relevance, I just like to ramble on a bit.
I don't believe that the gaps in our knowledge such as the creation of the universe should be filled with a stop gap like God, in the same way I don't buy into the other argument which is 'it is there because it just is'. I don't believe in the theory of infitnite regression but I also don't believe I (or anyone else) can begin to understand what happened when the universe was created.
I think t._green makes an excellent post above me here. Try reading it and looking at something from the opposite view, PAFC94, and you might see that not everything from religion is evil and disgusting or whatever you blabbed on about before.
Hammering my keyboard? I was merely mentioning the logical fallacy you committed which is an argument from ignorance. It is illogical to think that just because we don't know how the universe began we should assume that a God is responsible.