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ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 23:13 10 Aug 2014
by jespafc
As the subject says - what is the solution to this escalating mess?

This group of 'fighters' from various locations seems to be causing complete mayhem in the areas they now dominate.

They are brutal, growing in strength, and unrelenting in their desire to punish those who disagree with them.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 18:54 11 Aug 2014
by Greenrod
Basically, there is money in terrorism and murder. All the leaders of Hamas are millionaires and billionaires, sitting cozily in Qatar and Syria. I suspect that ISIS leaders are closing in on the same status, they are already extorting taxes out of the locals and robbed the banks of the various cities they have taken over.

It is about time the UK and Europe became tough with anyone linked or suspected of links with the likes of Hezbollah, Hamas, ISIS, Al Quada, Boco Haram etc etc. Already, in the UK, we have sharia law exercised in some areas and schools indoctrinating kids in Birmingham, Bradford and probably other cities - ref Trojan Horse debacle.

The aim of these terrorist organisations is to spread extreme Islam throughout the world and they are being funded by the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, Iran etc.

The worrying thing is the population explosion in the Middle East, which will double in the next 20 years. Even India is getting worried about the Muslim explosion in population, which has increased from 2% of the population to 10% of the population in the last 25 years.

Yes jespafc we should be really worried.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 12:25 12 Aug 2014
by Greenrod
Cornish Chris wrote: I guess we could always sell £1.6 billion worth of arms to them, like we did to those nice secular Saudis last year.


Saudi Arabia have the capability of stopping ISIS in their tracks and to help out the refugees. Why aren't they doing it ? - because they are also Sunni Muslim, same as ISIS and also as barbaric.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 18:22 12 Aug 2014
by Kevin_Dacombe
The response to ISIS murdering civilians in Iraq=US Air strikes. The response to Isreal killing civilians in Gaza?

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 19:52 12 Aug 2014
by t._green
The use of air strikes is to prevent tens of thousands of civilians from either being slaughtered by IS or starving to death on those mountains. Unlike the Israelis who try to minimise casualties, though admittedly not always successfully, IS have been trying to maximise them in their new Islamic Kallifa. In an attempt to exterminate the impure they have been beheading children, sticking their heads on poles and displaying them for all to see. They've also been burying Yazidis alive in mass graves, crucifying opponents, I won't go on, you get the picture.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 22:46 12 Aug 2014
by Greenrod
Cornish Chris wrote: More pointless atrocities in the name of religion. Of all the inventions to spring from the fertile mind of homo sapiens, organised religion has to be the worst. How many people needlessly lost their lives thanks to the Catholic Church's murderous campaign against condoms? Or intra-Islamic sectarianism? So depressing.


Don't believe religion has anything to do with modern warfare - it is all about money, power and land. The religious ticket has nothing to do with the atrocities and genovides committed in the last 100 years.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 09:59 13 Aug 2014
by t._green
Greenrod wrote:
Cornish Chris wrote: More pointless atrocities in the name of religion. Of all the inventions to spring from the fertile mind of homo sapiens, organised religion has to be the worst. How many people needlessly lost their lives thanks to the Catholic Church's murderous campaign against condoms? Or intra-Islamic sectarianism? So depressing.


Don't believe religion has anything to do with modern warfare - it is all about money, power and land. The religious ticket has nothing to do with the atrocities and genovides committed in the last 100 years.


They are contributing factors certainly, but in this instance Chris is right, religion is the prime mover here. IS is a fundamentalist Sunni Jihadist movement dedicated to reestablishing an Islamic Caliphate last seen in the days of the Ottoman empire. It was the dream of Bin Laden prior to 9/11.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 11:53 13 Aug 2014
by Greenrod
t._green wrote:
Greenrod wrote:
Cornish Chris wrote: More pointless atrocities in the name of religion. Of all the inventions to spring from the fertile mind of homo sapiens, organised religion has to be the worst. How many people needlessly lost their lives thanks to the Catholic Church's murderous campaign against condoms? Or intra-Islamic sectarianism? So depressing.


Don't believe religion has anything to do with modern warfare - it is all about money, power and land. The religious ticket has nothing to do with the atrocities and genovides committed in the last 100 years.


They are contributing factors certainly, but in this instance Chris is right, religion is the prime mover here. IS is a fundamentalist Sunni Jihadist movement dedicated to reestablishing an Islamic Caliphate last seen in the days of the Ottoman empire. It was the dream of Bin Laden prior to 9/11.


The leaders of Hamas are million and billionaires. ISIS have been robbing banks and placing punitive taxes on locals. Religion is the excuse but money, land and power is the motivation.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 07:16 14 Aug 2014
by andyr1963
No peace without justice.

That simple phrase will always be attached to any conflict, whether the conflict be individual, local, national or international. Human nature dictates the when pushed hard enough, there will be retaliation. What that retaliation is and how far it goes is different in every case, when the retaliation becomes a search for power then all reason has gone.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 08:03 14 Aug 2014
by t._green
graiser wrote: Well this country no sodding help, the Tories have reduced our military to zilch, Cameron and the rest of his lot are just about good at rhetoric and a bit of hand wringing but that's it.

Trouble with the west we seem to back the wrong arab, this IS crowd are fighting a civil war in Syria which the west back and chastise Assad, we cooked up an excuse to get rid of old Saddam and now look at that country, nope for me we fannied around in Irag and Afghanistan, seemed more intent on making sure we were inclusive and "legal" rather than ripping into the sods.

So now we reap our reward.


Agree with you graiser The run down of our armed forces has become critical, and our ill advised strategy in Afghanistan means we have achieved very little but at great cost. The only plus is that the hawks didn't get their way and we are not now directly involved in a war with Assad, who now looks like a paragon of virtue and tolerance compared to IS. However, this should be no surprise to anyone, we have known the nature of ISIS from the start, it's just few believed what was all too apparent to those in the anti Jihad movement, instead we got platitudes from the clueless that that anti Assad forces were all moderates intent on democracy. How does that look in Iraq, Libya and Syria now?

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 10:03 14 Aug 2014
by crownhillpilgrim
Greenrod wrote:
The leaders of Hamas are million and billionaires. ISIS have been robbing banks and placing punitive taxes on locals. Religion is the excuse but money, land and power is the motivation.


Yes, robber barons and thieves, the lot of them, covering themselves in the cloak of religion but all they want is power. And so it has been so throughout history.

Still, it's a horrible choice for the West - do we intervene and risk thousands of military deaths and stir up a hornet's nest of resentment or let them get on with it and watch while millions of innocents die and the evil of a radical, dogmatic, gun-toting protection racket spreads across the middle east. it's a no-win situation for Obama and Cameron and their allies.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 22:54 25 Aug 2014
by Mazza26
crownhillpilgrim wrote:
Greenrod wrote:
The leaders of Hamas are million and billionaires. ISIS have been robbing banks and placing punitive taxes on locals. Religion is the excuse but money, land and power is the motivation.


Yes, robber barons and thieves, the lot of them, covering themselves in the cloak of religion but all they want is power. And so it has been so throughout history.

Still, it's a horrible choice for the West - do we intervene and risk thousands of military deaths and stir up a hornet's nest of resentment or let them get on with it and watch while millions of innocents die and the evil of a radical, dogmatic, gun-toting protection racket spreads across the middle east. it's a no-win situation for Obama and Cameron and their allies.


Good points Crownhill.

Re: ISIS - how does the world respond??

Posted: 10:13 26 Aug 2014
by mike_gss
Interesting development...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28933070

First time I've known any of the small Gulf states to get involved directly from a military point of view (as opposed to just providing arms).

The Saudi's using the UAE to "test the waters" in preparation for a bigger military involvement from themselves?