Oh and a quick point about the War Memorial in Bastion. We have had to bring it home! It will get blown up if it stays there....
Does that indicate job done?? I think not.
GreenThing wrote: Regardless of the politics, these people should be remembered for giving their lives in defence of our country. They do not pick and choose their deployments, so the rights and wrongs of the different conflicts that they have fought are irrelevant.
Quinny wrote:GreenThing wrote: Regardless of the politics, these people should be remembered for giving their lives in defence of our country. They do not pick and choose their deployments, so the rights and wrongs of the different conflicts that they have fought are irrelevant.
And the white poppy remembers all those who die, not just servicemen. After all, the majority of casualties in modern warfare (from WW1) have been civilians, not soldiers.
Paven wrote: I agree with the above two posts. I don't think politics should come into it at all - it's for supporting those who risk their lives for our freedom, and for those who have lost their lives. I know everyone has their own slant on it but I honestly find it a touch disrespectful when people point blank refuse to wear them. It doesn't make sense to me, it feels as though they're rejecting the chance to remember and support people who risk their lives on a sometime daily basis, whether you agree with what they do or not is irrelevant.
I consider myself pacifist but that doesn't even come into remote consideration when I choose to wear a poppy or not. I just don't understand why you wouldn't wear one, but oh well.l freedom of choice I suppose.
Brixton 'ill Pilgrim wrote: I do wear a red poppy but - and apologies for picking on people here - I also feel uneasy with phrases used in this thread such as 'died for our freedom' and 'died defending our country.'
This is true of many British soldiers killed in wars over the years. But in some cases it is much more controversial, particularly that of World War 1, the conflict most associated with remembrance day.
Like others, I believe that wearing a poppy does not equate to support for all wars undertaken by the British Government and does not prohibit the wearer from thinking that some military deaths were in vain.
But the 'they died for our freedom' rhetoric (generally used unthinkingly rather than as aggressive propaganda) does imply a view of history that I personally am not comfortable with.
Green Rhino wrote: The slogan this year is 'Shoulder to Shoulder with all who serve' which is a major change from previous positions of "we shall not forget" or equivalent.
I am not anti those who serve, but I was and remain fundamentally opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the backlash (including civil war in Iraq, ISIS etc) that they have directly created.
I refuse to be associated with support for those wars (different from support for troops - I pay good money into Help for Heroes for example).
So, I shall wear a white poppy and remember those who fought for a peace, not to support those whose goal appears to be no less than continuous war.