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Re: The BBC

Posted: 21:18 01 Apr 2015
by Ade the green
Adam_R wrote: Great thread! I always wondered if Clarkson et al knew that the show was really running out of places to go, they had done the specials, tested every supercar, trashed every caravan etc, and that the controversy element was what they thought would keep the viewing figures up. Kept them in the forefront of the publics mind. The episode recently where they mocked the driving of Peugeot drivers was a real low. A funny one liner maybe, but a 15 minute feature of crashing into hedges and driving through fields.... really? Entertainment? I don't think so.

Now he has gone (if he truly has, as he hasn't been formally dismissed it wouldn't surprise me if a new contract was offered in a few months when the dust settles).... then the program needs an overhaul - it needed freshening up even with those three IMHO. I like the star in reasonably priced car feature, the interviews were always quite well thought out (mostly because Clarkson wasn't the centre of attention!) but other than that nothing really stood out. A few of the specials were quite impressive but again they became "same-y".

It's an odd concept as i imagine most people who could afford those supercars wouldn't bother watching three aging men drive them around a track, yet us mere mortals tune in to see the minute differences between the old Porsche 911 and the new in the hope that when we win the lottery we will make the right choice!

I would quite like to see more about the car, than just seeing it raced around the track, (maybe factory tours, engineering aspects blown up technical drawings etc). Maybe a feature like Wheeler Dealers (hate Mike whatshisname) but where a more realistic project is undertaken that you or I may embark on. Not making an ambulance out of a Porsche.

Basically Clarkson, Hammond and May have been living the dream for a number of years. Were they keeping the viewing figures high, was the brand, or was the content?


Great post and centred a lot of what I was thinking.

This last series has been forced and more than a little lame. The Argentine special really went nowhere way before the cars reg numbers were 'tumbled' and certainly not a patch on the Bolivia and Botswana specials and even before that, last years special about finding the source of the Nile was slipping below their usual standards.

The highlight of this last season for me was the mini special in Australia and that could have been expanded.

The concept of only really driving sensible cars only to smash them with a super car takes a realism escaping route for the majority who will never sit behind the wheel of a Porsche Boxster let alone a Bugatti Veyron so it could never be mistaken for a car buyers programme. That there was )supposedly) an 18 year waiting list to appear in the audience of the show means any 21 year old applying today would be middle aged with kids before they get to see it, so why was the audience full of young attractive females?

Top Gear has gone the same way as 'Last of the summer wine' when the antics of Compo became the focus rather than letting stories meander to a conclusion. The same way Madonna's music become not very good and her videos became more raunchy to compensate.

For all that, a motoring series has to really have middle aged presenters or it would look like young yobs tearing around in fast cars which might well encourage the same on our streets which is why JCs age and that of the others is irrelevant.

Re: The BBC

Posted: 16:33 08 Apr 2015
by mike_gss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32214799

I don't get this at all and it makes the BBC look even more ridiculous. I'm a JC and a HIGNFY fan but if you're not going to renew his contract for Top Gear because of an admitted assault on a member of staff, then why is it OK for him to front another BBC program instead?

I'm not sure what the beeb are trying to say here. Punching a producer means you can no longer present a car program but you can present a satirical news quiz? Either he's a professional television presenter or he's not. The kind of program he presents is irrelevant.

Re: The BBC

Posted: 20:53 08 Apr 2015
by Ade the green
mike_gss wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32214799

I don't get this at all and it makes the BBC look even more ridiculous. I'm a JC and a HIGNFY fan but if you're not going to renew his contract for Top Gear because of an admitted assault on a member of staff, then why is it OK for him to front another BBC program instead?

I'm not sure what the beeb are trying to say here. Punching a producer means you can no longer present a car program but you can present a satirical news quiz? Either he's a professional television presenter or he's not. The kind of program he presents is irrelevant.



Is this a way to test the water seeing as they (the Beeb) are looking to show the remaining features from this last seasons TG and they are helping to stage the TG live shows albeit by another name?

Also, it should be remembered that JC was not fired, only that his contract was not renewed (at the time).

Re: The BBC

Posted: 12:13 09 Apr 2015
by mike_gss
Ade the green wrote:
mike_gss wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32214799

I don't get this at all and it makes the BBC look even more ridiculous. I'm a JC and a HIGNFY fan but if you're not going to renew his contract for Top Gear because of an admitted assault on a member of staff, then why is it OK for him to front another BBC program instead?

I'm not sure what the beeb are trying to say here. Punching a producer means you can no longer present a car program but you can present a satirical news quiz? Either he's a professional television presenter or he's not. The kind of program he presents is irrelevant.



Is this a way to test the water seeing as they (the Beeb) are looking to show the remaining features from this last seasons TG and they are helping to stage the TG live shows albeit by another name?

Also, it should be remembered that JC was not fired, only that his contract was not renewed (at the time).


I get the non contract renewal thing but look at it another way - it's not OK to punch a producer and front Top Gear, but it is OK to punch a producer and front HIGNFY :facepalm:

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see Clarkson back on TV (where I'm sure he'll be roasted by Hislop and Merson but he would expect that anyway, he's not a fool) but the BBC's position on this baffles me.

Re: The BBC

Posted: 13:34 09 Apr 2015
by Quinny
If an employee was sacked from the NHS for punching somebody, would it mean that person would no longer be eligible for employment at any other part of the NHS ever again, even if they were an outstanding candidate?

Re: The BBC

Posted: 15:09 09 Apr 2015
by NorfolkGreen
Quinny wrote: If an employee was sacked from the NHS for punching somebody, would it mean that person would no longer be eligible for employment at any other part of the NHS ever again, even if they were an outstanding candidate?


It wouldn't but I would assume assault on a colleague would make them think twice.

Re: The BBC

Posted: 12:18 10 Apr 2015
by Balham_Green
NorfolkGreen wrote:
Quinny wrote: If an employee was sacked from the NHS for punching somebody, would it mean that person would no longer be eligible for employment at any other part of the NHS ever again, even if they were an outstanding candidate?


It wouldn't but I would assume assault on a colleague would make them think twice.


Really?! :shock:

Re: The BBC

Posted: 17:01 10 Apr 2015
by Ade the green
That would certainly depend on whether any alleged assault is deemed misconduct or gross misconduct. Someone getting slapped and retaliating might well get off with a warning but interestingly as Clarkson was not fired his actions have actually gone unpunished. Not having his contract renewed is quite frankly just a way for the been to sidestep having to sanction someone who is a ratings winner for any TV company and I'd foresee JC being back on the been in a year or two with nothing on his employment record to show any misdemeanour.

Top Gear on the other hand will cease to be and the Irish producer is probably more worried about his future than JC. Apparently the been envisage having a female joining the crew with Sue Perkins being touted. I watched her in the worlds deadliest roads and I'm sure she has only recently learned how to drive so an obvious choice then. I can't see Hammond and May liking that one bit.

The show does need a petrol head and if they should want a female it should IMO be Suzy Perry. Probably a better driver than either of the boys and with a background in Motorsport.

Re: The BBC

Posted: 12:20 12 Apr 2015
by (I'm)Stranded
Cricket season proper starts today - BBC has every single ball of every match via their website! Great service. I'm looking forward to many hours in the garden, listening to Somerset.

Re: The BBC

Posted: 11:41 13 Apr 2015
by crownhillpilgrim
Yes, that's the one thing I use on the BBC regularly - both the cricket updates and football service are excellent in my opinion.

Re: The BBC

Posted: 18:21 01 Jun 2015
by andyr1963
mike_gss wrote:
Ade the green wrote:
mike_gss wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32214799

I don't get this at all and it makes the BBC look even more ridiculous. I'm a JC and a HIGNFY fan but if you're not going to renew his contract for Top Gear because of an admitted assault on a member of staff, then why is it OK for him to front another BBC program instead?

I'm not sure what the beeb are trying to say here. Punching a producer means you can no longer present a car program but you can present a satirical news quiz? Either he's a professional television presenter or he's not. The kind of program he presents is irrelevant.



Is this a way to test the water seeing as they (the Beeb) are looking to show the remaining features from this last seasons TG and they are helping to stage the TG live shows albeit by another name?

Also, it should be remembered that JC was not fired, only that his contract was not renewed (at the time).


I get the non contract renewal thing but look at it another way - it's not OK to punch a producer and front Top Gear, but it is OK to punch a producer and front HIGNFY :facepalm:

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see Clarkson back on TV (where I'm sure he'll be roasted by Hislop and Merson but he would expect that anyway, he's not a fool) but the BBC's position on this baffles me.



Different production companies, Top Gear is in house BBC produced HIGNFY is HatTrick production (I think)

Different rules apply to different companies, just because his contract is not renewed with the BBC does not stop him from working for other companies that supply the BBC