On the News that France is instigating some border controls, although to what degree, has not been made clear.

The Schengen Agreement does have provision for temporary border controls in the event of an emergency - Germany implemented something similar with the border to Austria when the refugee influx was at it's height back in September, and from what I've read it seems the French are doing this on the French-bound motorways from Belgium. I guess this is while the police investigation and man-hunt into the Paris attack continues.

Two men linked to the attacks registered as refugees in Greece, just shows the notion we let all refugees in completely wooly-headed and dangerous.

Not half as wooly-headed and dangerous as jumping to conclusions:

None of the Paris suspects were refugees

Two men linked to the attacks registered as refugees in Greece, just shows the notion we let all refugees in completely wooly-headed and dangerous.

Not half as wooly-headed and dangerous as jumping to conclusions:

None of the Paris suspects were refugees

So this article is saying the passport is either A) fake or B) stolen.

A) if fake, it's some coincidence that the terrorists should come up with the name and details of a genuine refugee that can be verified by the Greek authorities.

B) if stolen, someone would have to be very close to the original owner of the passport in order to steal it surely.

It's still way too early to know for sure if this is a decoy or strategy by IS so until then I'd like to know that the avenue that the refugees are using to enter our region is properly guarded and secure.

Two men linked to the attacks registered as refugees in Greece, just shows the notion we let all refugees in completely wooly-headed and dangerous.

Not half as wooly-headed and dangerous as jumping to conclusions:

None of the Paris suspects were refugees

I really don’t get this. Earlier in this thread when this was raised (before Paris) I quoted counter-terrorist experts who said categorically it wouldn’t make operational sense for ISIS to ‘infiltrate’ refugees. Surely it’s much, much easier for them to use sympathisers already in place? People who know the targets, can move around unquestioned, can speak the language and can support themselves. After that they could use the nutters who have gone to Syria then returned, fully trained and even more radicalised. Why use their own battle-hardened ‘soldiers’ who are desperately required for their own bloody domestic war and have no knowledge of the language, culture, targets or the network of jihadists already in place?

This one with the passport for example – how did he hook up with the others for this co-ordinated attack? Did he have a list of names and addresses in a little book in his back pocket when he arrived, with a Paris A-to-Z? How did he know he wasn’t going to be held in some compound for months like so many other refugees while various governments argued about them? Did the others in the gang know he was coming & did they have to wait for him to arrive and if so why? Maybe he just bumped into them by chance in the jihadist equivalent of a pub and they invited him to join?

The refugees are fleeing FROM these barbarians. ISIS despise them for this and would love to harm them as much as they want to harm us - so I can see a motivation for them to implicate the refugees or sow the fear of them amongst Europeans. THAT is what terrorists do – they terrorise, they sow fear, they divide and dehumanise. That is the only reason I can think of why they’d bother with sending someone as a refugee – then advertise the fact by leaving a passport at the scene – what sort of terrorist carries a passport on them FFS??!!! It would be EXACTLY what they want if the Paris attacks cause us to fear these poor desperate people (who have already suffered so much at the hands of ISIS) and dehumanise us to the extent we’d rather watch them to suffer and die in their thousands than help. Don’t let them diminish us.

Two men linked to the attacks registered as refugees in Greece, just shows the notion we let all refugees in completely wooly-headed and dangerous.

Not half as wooly-headed and dangerous as jumping to conclusions:

None of the Paris suspects were refugees

I really don’t get this. Earlier in this thread when this was raised (before Paris) I quoted counter-terrorist experts who said categorically it wouldn’t make operational sense for ISIS to ‘infiltrate’ refugees. Surely it’s much, much easier for them to use sympathisers already in place? People who know the targets, can move around unquestioned, can speak the language and can support themselves. After that they could use the nutters who have gone to Syria then returned, fully trained and even more radicalised. Why use their own battle-hardened ‘soldiers’ who are desperately required for their own bloody domestic war and have no knowledge of the language, culture, targets or the network of jihadists already in place?

This one with the passport for example – how did he hook up with the others for this co-ordinated attack? Did he have a list of names and addresses in a little book in his back pocket when he arrived, with a Paris A-to-Z? How did he know he wasn’t going to be held in some compound for months like so many other refugees while various governments argued about them? Did the others in the gang know he was coming & did they have to wait for him to arrive and if so why? Maybe he just bumped into them by chance in the jihadist equivalent of a pub and they invited him to join?

The refugees are fleeing FROM these barbarians. ISIS despise them for this and would love to harm them as much as they want to harm us - so I can see a motivation for them to implicate the refugees or sow the fear of them amongst Europeans. THAT is what terrorists do – they terrorise, they sow fear, they divide and dehumanise. That is the only reason I can think of why they’d bother with sending someone as a refugee – then advertise the fact by leaving a passport at the scene – what sort of terrorist carries a passport on them FFS??!!! It would be EXACTLY what they want if the Paris attacks cause us to fear these poor desperate people (who have already suffered so much at the hands of ISIS) and dehumanise us to the extent we’d rather watch them to suffer and die in their thousands than help. Don’t let them diminish us.

Excellent post.

Two men linked to the attacks registered as refugees in Greece, just shows the notion we let all refugees in completely wooly-headed and dangerous.

Not half as wooly-headed and dangerous as jumping to conclusions:

None of the Paris suspects were refugees

I really don’t get this. Earlier in this thread when this was raised (before Paris) I quoted counter-terrorist experts who said categorically it wouldn’t make operational sense for ISIS to ‘infiltrate’ refugees. Surely it’s much, much easier for them to use sympathisers already in place? People who know the targets, can move around unquestioned, can speak the language and can support themselves. After that they could use the nutters who have gone to Syria then returned, fully trained and even more radicalised. Why use their own battle-hardened ‘soldiers’ who are desperately required for their own bloody domestic war and have no knowledge of the language, culture, targets or the network of jihadists already in place?

This one with the passport for example – how did he hook up with the others for this co-ordinated attack? Did he have a list of names and addresses in a little book in his back pocket when he arrived, with a Paris A-to-Z? How did he know he wasn’t going to be held in some compound for months like so many other refugees while various governments argued about them? Did the others in the gang know he was coming & did they have to wait for him to arrive and if so why? Maybe he just bumped into them by chance in the jihadist equivalent of a pub and they invited him to join?

The refugees are fleeing FROM these barbarians. ISIS despise them for this and would love to harm them as much as they want to harm us - so I can see a motivation for them to implicate the refugees or sow the fear of them amongst Europeans. THAT is what terrorists do – they terrorise, they sow fear, they divide and dehumanise. That is the only reason I can think of why they’d bother with sending someone as a refugee – then advertise the fact by leaving a passport at the scene – what sort of terrorist carries a passport on them FFS??!!! It would be EXACTLY what they want if the Paris attacks cause us to fear these poor desperate people (who have already suffered so much at the hands of ISIS) and dehumanise us to the extent we’d rather watch them to suffer and die in their thousands than help. Don’t let them diminish us.

Excellent post.

These aren't refugees, they are fanatics who have easily crossed the border under cover of numbers, their only aim is to kill and terrorise as you say.

How did they hook up, well how about the internet and or a mobile phone, come on how simple is it to communicate these days ?
Jihadi pub!!!! How about the local mosque, I do believe many fanatics are drawn to such places.

What sort of terrorist carries a passport? Just about all of them, they are going to their deaths what have they got to fear in carrying it, more chance of being investigated more thoroughly should they be stopped without ID, remember this is mainland Europe where ID has to be carried.

These people aren't the head of the organisation or valuable trained fighters, these are radicalised young men, probably poorly educated, how much training does it take to strap explosives to yourself and detonate them?

It makes perfect sense in my eyes

Reports today of 1000s yes thousands of sex assaults against women in Germany carried out by young, DRUNK, Arab men, many of those arrested carrying asylum cards. Does anyone still think Merkel was right to throw their borders open to all and every illegal migrant last summer?

Exactly WTF are the Germans up to? Every day this month they have been returning migrants to Austria which is all well and good but many of the migrants wouldn't ever have been in Austria if it weren't for Merkel broadcasting that they were taking a million of these locusts before Christmas. Austria is now going to have a crisis not of their own making because you can guarantee they won't be able to feed them back the way they came.

Not a good week for Krauts.

Even astronauts can become refugees...

So the Donald (EU) is now requesting the economic refugees do not come to Europe. The man is delusional.