The true consequences of the out vote will not be understood until a final agreement is signed with the EU and only then can meaningful discussions start in earnest with other trading blocks, who will be waiting to see the relationship between the UK and EU before committing

Sad to say but the above applies to our political masters as well as the general electorate, as prior the referendum there was little discussion on what post-Britex would look like other than the campaign leaders spouting their nice to haves, without any prior discussions with the rest of the world.

The economy is the primary driver that sets a countries position in the world and being outside the EU the largest trading block in the world without a perceived good deal from the EU will be like shooting ourselves in the foot.

Here's a long shot; Other countries in the EU start to push for major reforms of the EU(France, Germany, Benelux) which may influence the UK into rethinking its decision and stay in, however that could take 5/10 years, the critical phase is the period 0/5 as we will be sailing in the sea of uncertainty the hurricane of the financial market.

Anybody else any bright ideas' ?

CJH

Interestingly just read in the Guardian that until as recently as May, David Davis believed UK would be able to do separate trade deals with individual EU states, apparently failing to realise it's only one deal for the whole lot. If that is the case, a truly astounding lack of understanding. Even more worrying is that these people are in charge of sorting out the mess. At least they will find out first hand the complexities.[/quote

I wouldn't believe any thing I read in the Guardian, unless it is properly referenced. I would be surprised if Davies said that - he was Minister of State for Europe under John Major.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 36121.html

And here is the link for the evidence. I originally read about in the Guardian online and it actually sourced it from an article from the Independent. As said before, astounding. Thease people are in charge of our futures.

As I said before, the Guardian of Independent haven't referenced his full statement, made in May.
i would be wary of believing this article until you have read his full statement. Journalists are famous for writing articles out of context.

This is what david davis wrote about doing "brexit" just before he was appointed the boss
with the negotiations. It gives a good insight of what might be forthcoming or at least attempted.
http://www.conservativehome.com/platfor ... itain.html

As for the evidence of ignorance by him printed in the independant. These were the 2 quotes used. They were
taken from a speech summary on twitter in may.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 36121.html
The first. “Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods,
in exchange for a deal on everything else,” he said on 26 May this year.
And second. “Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations. France would want to protect £3 billion
of food and wine exports. Italy, its £1 billion fashion exports. Poland its £3 billion manufacturing exports.”
Seems as if the indie has used those quotes out of context somewhat.
In the comments section below the article this is written in reply.
"If you read the full speech, he starts that particular bit with:
"Free trade with Britain is in all their interests."
He then goes on to argue why in particular he thinks certain EU nations will want to have free trade with the UK
before finishing with: "So there is almost certainly going to be a deal, one that maintains a free market between
the EU and the UK."
So no, he doesn't think we can do individual trade deals, but he does think we need to speak to each member nation
individually.
What the Independent have done is taken parts of his speech that he summarised on twitter.
So when he said "Indeed the first calling point of the UK’s negotiator in the time immediately after Brexit will
not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike the deal: absolute access for German cars and industrial goods, in
exchange for a sensible deal on everything else." Which he summarised on twitter as:
"Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a
deal on everything else" And the reason for his focus on Germany is explained by his use of this phrase "In Europe,
what a German Chancellor wants, a German Chancellor generally gets."
But that's the British press for you. Believe them at your discretion".

The true consequences of the out vote will not be understood until a final agreement is signed with the EU and only then can meaningful discussions start in earnest with other trading blocks, who will be waiting to see the relationship between the UK and EU before committing

Maybe not ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055

The true consequences of the out vote will not be understood until a final agreement is signed with the EU and only then can meaningful discussions start in earnest with other trading blocks, who will be waiting to see the relationship between the UK and EU before committing

Maybe not ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055

Ditto
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cde1dc04-4c31 ... z4EhoULKsY
Sorry subscription site. Viewed once only for me.
It states that the government is to progress informal talks and negotiations
with the intention of having deals with non EU countries ready to sign when we brexit.

Brexit wasn't by the slimmest of margins, that would be 49.9% to 50.1 % Maybe if Cameron and his cronies hadn't been so unbelievably arrogant in presuming the UK would be total cowards like the Scots and vote remain they may have come up with some arguments to stay. Watched the Sunday politics last week and some of the leaders of the remain campaign stated that they had a meeting when Project Fear was failing to think up 5 positives about the EU to sell the remain campaign - and they could not think of any between them. This from the manager of the remain campaign says it all

30% of the electorate did not heed the call to vote. In reality you pulled just 35% to Remains 34%.

As for project Fear, which campaign said we'd be subject to an influx of immigrants and is now saying that there's nothing they can do about immigration as freedom of movement has to be guaranteed for anyone wishing to have free tariff agreements?

Let's see how well we do with some of these trade agreements people are supposedly falling over themselves to sign with us, which incidentally are the trade agreements we already had and which are being ripped up and renegotiated.

Good start today - Australia have called for a free trade deal.

Possibly because as it stands all our trade deals will be torn up once we trigger our desire to leave the EU.