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Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 10:25 24 Jan 2017
by Martyn
Great decision by our Supreme Court judges, it shows that we are sovereign, and can control our own destiny

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 10:52 24 Jan 2017
by Quinny
The Government should be ashamed of themselves for the utter waste of taxpayers' money in appealing this in the first place.

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 10:57 24 Jan 2017
by Martyn
We are run by our own courts, not EU courts, the notion, that we are 'ruled', by EU is a total falsehood. as proved today, good day for democracy

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 11:08 24 Jan 2017
by Quinny
We were never ruled by EU courts - that was just rubbish screamed out by the likes of UKIP. All this ruling says is that, constitutionally, Parliament has to trigger Article 50: it can't be done by the PM herself. This is exactly what the EU said should happen when they wrote Article 50 (that the decision to leave is triggered in accordance to that nation's constitutional requirements).

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 13:23 24 Jan 2017
by Ave_IT
This is what the bone heads of the Daily Heil don’t understand – a mature democracy is NOT simply about casting a vote that then gives the leader(s) carte-blanche to do whatever they want (especially a simple yes/no vote on a complex matter). That is the sort of ‘democracy’ as practised by Putin and Mugabe. In this country the leader(s) are subject to the law of the land like everyone else without fear or favour and they must observe ‘due process’. If they want to change that then they have to change the law by an act of Parliament – albeit using the popular vote as the grounds for that change.

That is all the judges have said. They are not “the enemies of the people” (to use that despicable phrase) – they are simply doing their job as a vital part of the separation of powers that preserve our freedoms. The executive overstepped its powers – the judges quite rightly slapped it down. Checks and balances innit - a REAL democracy in action . Good for them.

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 14:06 24 Jan 2017
by Tugboat
Can someone just put it all in layman terms for me please?

I've got it as we (the people) have voted to leave the EU. Now we've been told by the Supreme Court that we need the House of Parliament to actually say if we can?

Can the reject the idea?

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 14:24 24 Jan 2017
by Quinny
What was stated this morning is that the Prime Minister does not have the prerogative powers to invoke Article 50 to begin the process of removing us from the EU, because so much of our laws are bound to EU laws: only an Act of Parliament can do that. As such, the Government now has to put forward a Bill to the House so give the Parliamentary approval to invoke Article 50.

Parliament can reject an Bill which is put to them, but the liklihood is that there is more than enough support within the House (and Labour will try and whip their MPs into line to vote for it) to get it through.

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 14:27 24 Jan 2017
by Quinny
Mind you, Ben Bradshaw has tweeted this morning he will be voting against Article 50 (but then Exeter did vote #Remain).

edit: as has Owen Smith.

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 14:54 24 Jan 2017
by Ham Green
Jeremy Corbyn has (ironically) installed a whip of some kind to instruct his party to vote in favour of Brexit. The Tories have a large majority and they're mostly in favour.

This is a formality. People are getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 15:01 24 Jan 2017
by Quinny
Ham Green wrote: This is a formality. People are getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.


Maybe you should have said this to Theresa May/David Davis/et al before they decided to waste millions of quid of taxpayers money fighting to prevent this in the courts.

Mind you, it could get fun when the Bill reaches the House of Lords....

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 16:08 24 Jan 2017
by Martyn
Ham Green wrote: Jeremy Corbyn has (ironically) installed a whip of some kind to instruct his party to vote in favour of Brexit. The Tories have a large majority and they're mostly in favour.

This is a formality. People are getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.


There may have been a majority in favour of leaving, but don't forget over 16 million people voted to stay in.

Over 17 million voted to leave, but out of these 34 million, nobody voted on how to LEAVE the EU,

Of course, article 50 should have to go thru parliament, that is what our system is all about.

EVERY agreement with the EU should have to go thru parliament. The final agreement if their is one in 2 years should have to go thru parliament. Then that agreement should have to be put back to the people for confirmation, in another referendum.

This is what democracy is all about, after all the Brexiters want their country back ??, and this is a case of us having our independence isn't it. As it shows we make our own LAWS after all, not the lying rubbish, coming from the leavers.

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 16:12 24 Jan 2017
by signalspast
Interesting scenario with the jocks now. They can have a referendum but would then have to have parliament to say if they can breakaway

Re: Stand up for the Judges

Posted: 16:48 24 Jan 2017
by Greenblooded1
Martyn wrote: We are run by our own courts, not EU courts, the notion, that we are 'ruled', by EU is a total falsehood. as proved today, good day for democracy


European Communities Act 1972 – the UK parliamentary statute which recognises the doctrine of EU law supremacy and incorporates it into UK domestic law.

But don't let facts spoil your Remoaner day of joy.