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This season it's fair to say recruitment hasn't been the best with only Ennis looking any good, maybe Woods as well but we haven't seen enough of him.
Recruitment policy might have been dictated by the uncertainty of Covid and the need to just get through the season.

For next season the system demands ball playing centre-backs so to find a ball playing centre-back who is also a bruiser might be difficult, in the past centre-back bruisers find row Z rather than the feet of a teammate. Niall Canavan was decent as a ball playing centre-back who could also do the dirty side of the game.

It's a big summer for Lowe and his staff. The previous summers saw the Bury exodus followed by the next summer with an influx of loanees and resigning existing players so for this summer Lowe and Dewsnip will have to wheel and deal more and work that little bit harder.
The easy option will be just to use their contacts again and sign more young loanees from the Premier League and the Championship.
 
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This budget that a lot of people keep referring to, where's it coming from? Mr Hallett has already told us that he won't be contributing with any more large lump sums.
So it's down mainly to Season Ticket sales? Am i the only one thinking that these could well drop because of the uncertainty of what may be lurking around the corner combined with what is looking like a gloomy end to this Season?

I've said this a couple of times when people have been demanding multiple experienced and able pros for next season. There is a reason that we have our motley band of loanees. It's because they are cheap.

I think it is correct that there will be a lot of experienced players out of contract this summer - a major reason being that their employers can't afford to renew all their top earners. Will we be able to afford the better ones, or will we have to gamble on those that may have seen better days - the Reeves and Macleods of this world?
Exactly the point I was trying to make. Good players cost money, normally a fee and big wages.

I think of footballers like a car, the more you spend the better it'll be :D

There's no way we will be paying a transfer fee for older players - Hallett has said as much.
 

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I think a big issue has been that many of our players apart from their young age have NO experience of having to play so many games and also so many in a shorter season, and it certainly looks like they are struggling regardless of the opposition, so it looks like a tough final few games. As many say it will be interesting to see the recruitment this summer, and whatever our budget is i can't see why it would be lower than at least the bottom third of teams in the league,
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No obvious need to pay fees is there.

I’d expect our ponderous possession-based football to continue with the likes of Mayor and Grant still around.

But it would be good to see an end to inexperienced loanees in the defensive middle ie DM and CBs.

And good to find an aerial threat up front, as we do too often go forward so slowly it would be good to have an aerial threat once the ball finally gets in the oppo box. Whatever stats the scientists at Simon’s data factory were looking at to think Nouble was that threat, lord knows.
 

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I think next season players like Randell and Law will be starters, Lolos and Tomlinson will be regulars on the bench, there will be maybe one or two decent defenders/midfielders added. What i hope is with Neil Dewsnip connections he is scouring the names of players who have been released from Premier academy's and can entice to come west, if every year you can get 4 or 5 of these it would certainly improve our academy team and also maybe one or two make it into the first team each year.
 
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There is more to football than just kicking the ball, and data cannot solely be used as a first choice decision making implement, although it can be pretty useful in some areas.

Ball control is a must, especially the further up the league you get. That has to be first on the list of data. Being comfortable on the ball has to be another.

Protecting the ball from the opposing player is something that should be taught at a very young age, so that when they get to the first team it becomes natural, rather than forced.
So many times I see our players getting the ball and turning the wrong way, or get muscled off the ball, or other players do not make themselves available to help out.

Being able to head the ball has to be another skill, regardless of position, that the academy players should have to have. The number of times that someone like Mayor tracks back with a player, for a corner maybe, and makes no effort to head the ball. He's not a great header of the ball, he just tries to be a presence to put the opposing player off.

Shoulder to shoulder contact is part of the game but it seems that if a player goes down he gets a free kick, regardless. More input should be placed on this throughout the academy so that the players can deal with it when they get to the first team.

There is a difference between youth football and first team football and players must be skilled as soon as they get into the first team squad, not have to pick these things up when they get into the first team. I'm afraid Lolos may not have done enough and gets pushed off the ball too easily and we may lose him at the end of the season.

We have to wait for the fruits of the academy to bring forward first team players automatically. They need to be coached into how to play men's football so that they are ready when called upon and we may have to wait a few seasons for the current academy to provide our team with ready made players. Jephers and Coops are the exception, and there may be one or two who may be able to follow, but that will be because of their own footballing traits and not due to the change in coaching which has only just started to take effect.

These are not dark arts. These are the ways that the game should be played.

The squad should be made aware of how the opposition use the dark arts, and be shown how to nullify them, or at least deal with them.

Referees are so different in how they manage the game. More importantly some referees are more easily conned than others and the Club should make the players aware of how each referee will react to the various situations that occur.

Small advantages turn into big advantages if the players are given the right information about how the referees deal with the nuances of the game.

It's no good managers complaining about a certain refereeing decision after the match if the referee has a reputation for it before the match begins!

Men v boys has been the name of the game in several matches this season, but that will always be the case when we rely on youngsters, either through our academy, or on loan.

Experience is gained through time and every successful team has to have a mixture of both youth and experience. We are lacking in the latter, especially in our defence, but we must give Lowe the opportunity to put this right in the summer as he allowed, rightly in my mind, our experience to leave in January.

Be optimistic for next season. An improvement would be a top half finish with a flirt at the play-offs a possibility must be the target. Improvement season on season has to be the target.

Recruitment will always be the key, so let us hope that Lowe and his staff can improve the team each season until we become more experienced, more battle conscious, more street-wise, and then we can have a go at promotion, just like we did last season, before Covid came our way.

More experienced players don't come cheap but we have the grandstand to get us extra profit, and lets hope Covid doesn't curtail its effectiveness in providing extra cash for the first team, although there will be other expenses that the grandstand will have to provide for, and catering for Covid may be an added expense in itself.

Summer is always interesting and frustrating at the same time. When do the new arrivals arrive? Who will they be? What positions will they vie for? Who will stay with us? Who will leave for elsewhere? Always exciting to see the fixture list for the first time, but the summer recruitment will be the most interesting part of this summer, for sure.
 

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Wow! what insight and understanding you have.

Players should be able to control the ball, head the ball and not give it away.

There's a difference between Youth Team football and First Team football.

Who would have known all of that?

Get rid of Dewsnip, we have a new DOF.
 
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jimsing":2e1j2bke said:
There is more to football than just kicking the ball, and data cannot solely be used as a first choice decision making implement, although it can be pretty useful in some areas.

Ball control is a must, especially the further up the league you get. That has to be first on the list of data. Being comfortable on the ball has to be another.

Protecting the ball from the opposing player is something that should be taught at a very young age, so that when they get to the first team it becomes natural, rather than forced.
So many times I see our players getting the ball and turning the wrong way, or get muscled off the ball, or other players do not make themselves available to help out.

Being able to head the ball has to be another skill, regardless of position, that the academy players should have to have. The number of times that someone like Mayor tracks back with a player, for a corner maybe, and makes no effort to head the ball. He's not a great header of the ball, he just tries to be a presence to put the opposing player off.

Shoulder to shoulder contact is part of the game but it seems that if a player goes down he gets a free kick, regardless. More input should be placed on this throughout the academy so that the players can deal with it when they get to the first team.

There is a difference between youth football and first team football and players must be skilled as soon as they get into the first team squad, not have to pick these things up when they get into the first team. I'm afraid Lolos may not have done enough and gets pushed off the ball too easily and we may lose him at the end of the season.

We have to wait for the fruits of the academy to bring forward first team players automatically. They need to be coached into how to play men's football so that they are ready when called upon and we may have to wait a few seasons for the current academy to provide our team with ready made players. Jephers and Coops are the exception, and there may be one or two who may be able to follow, but that will be because of their own footballing traits and not due to the change in coaching which has only just started to take effect.

These are not dark arts. These are the ways that the game should be played.

The squad should be made aware of how the opposition use the dark arts, and be shown how to nullify them, or at least deal with them.

Referees are so different in how they manage the game. More importantly some referees are more easily conned than others and the Club should make the players aware of how each referee will react to the various situations that occur.

Small advantages turn into big advantages if the players are given the right information about how the referees deal with the nuances of the game.

It's no good managers complaining about a certain refereeing decision after the match if the referee has a reputation for it before the match begins!

Men v boys has been the name of the game in several matches this season, but that will always be the case when we rely on youngsters, either through our academy, or on loan.

Experience is gained through time and every successful team has to have a mixture of both youth and experience. We are lacking in the latter, especially in our defence, but we must give Lowe the opportunity to put this right in the summer as he allowed, rightly in my mind, our experience to leave in January.

Be optimistic for next season. An improvement would be a top half finish with a flirt at the play-offs a possibility must be the target. Improvement season on season has to be the target.

Recruitment will always be the key, so let us hope that Lowe and his staff can improve the team each season until we become more experienced, more battle conscious, more street-wise, and then we can have a go at promotion, just like we did last season, before Covid came our way.

More experienced players don't come cheap but we have the grandstand to get us extra profit, and lets hope Covid doesn't curtail its effectiveness in providing extra cash for the first team, although there will be other expenses that the grandstand will have to provide for, and catering for Covid may be an added expense in itself.

Summer is always interesting and frustrating at the same time. When do the new arrivals arrive? Who will they be? What positions will they vie for? Who will stay with us? Who will leave for elsewhere? Always exciting to see the fixture list for the first time, but the summer recruitment will be the most interesting part of this summer, for sure.

Brilliant post, your insights are great to read
 
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demportdave":3qs5sxdv said:
Wow! what insight and understanding you have.

Players should be able to control the ball, head the ball and not give it away.

There's a difference between Youth Team football and First Team football.

Who would have known all of that?

Get rid of Dewsnip, we have a new DOF.

Well for me jimsing has set out many of the basics that we currently lack, so I found his post great.
 

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If Dewsnip and Lowe need to be told about the basic requirements for League 1 players, we really are in trouble.
 

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jimsing":15lxycbd said:
There is more to football than just kicking the ball, and data cannot solely be used as a first choice decision making implement, although it can be pretty useful in some areas.

Ball control is a must, especially the further up the league you get. That has to be first on the list of data. Being comfortable on the ball has to be another.

Protecting the ball from the opposing player is something that should be taught at a very young age, so that when they get to the first team it becomes natural, rather than forced.
So many times I see our players getting the ball and turning the wrong way, or get muscled off the ball, or other players do not make themselves available to help out.

Being able to head the ball has to be another skill, regardless of position, that the academy players should have to have. The number of times that someone like Mayor tracks back with a player, for a corner maybe, and makes no effort to head the ball. He's not a great header of the ball, he just tries to be a presence to put the opposing player off.

Shoulder to shoulder contact is part of the game but it seems that if a player goes down he gets a free kick, regardless. More input should be placed on this throughout the academy so that the players can deal with it when they get to the first team.

There is a difference between youth football and first team football and players must be skilled as soon as they get into the first team squad, not have to pick these things up when they get into the first team. I'm afraid Lolos may not have done enough and gets pushed off the ball too easily and we may lose him at the end of the season.

We have to wait for the fruits of the academy to bring forward first team players automatically. They need to be coached into how to play men's football so that they are ready when called upon and we may have to wait a few seasons for the current academy to provide our team with ready made players. Jephers and Coops are the exception, and there may be one or two who may be able to follow, but that will be because of their own footballing traits and not due to the change in coaching which has only just started to take effect.

These are not dark arts. These are the ways that the game should be played.

The squad should be made aware of how the opposition use the dark arts, and be shown how to nullify them, or at least deal with them.

Referees are so different in how they manage the game. More importantly some referees are more easily conned than others and the Club should make the players aware of how each referee will react to the various situations that occur.

Small advantages turn into big advantages if the players are given the right information about how the referees deal with the nuances of the game.

It's no good managers complaining about a certain refereeing decision after the match if the referee has a reputation for it before the match begins!

Men v boys has been the name of the game in several matches this season, but that will always be the case when we rely on youngsters, either through our academy, or on loan.

Experience is gained through time and every successful team has to have a mixture of both youth and experience. We are lacking in the latter, especially in our defence, but we must give Lowe the opportunity to put this right in the summer as he allowed, rightly in my mind, our experience to leave in January.

Be optimistic for next season. An improvement would be a top half finish with a flirt at the play-offs a possibility must be the target. Improvement season on season has to be the target.

Recruitment will always be the key, so let us hope that Lowe and his staff can improve the team each season until we become more experienced, more battle conscious, more street-wise, and then we can have a go at promotion, just like we did last season, before Covid came our way.

More experienced players don't come cheap but we have the grandstand to get us extra profit, and lets hope Covid doesn't curtail its effectiveness in providing extra cash for the first team, although there will be other expenses that the grandstand will have to provide for, and catering for Covid may be an added expense in itself.

Summer is always interesting and frustrating at the same time. When do the new arrivals arrive? Who will they be? What positions will they vie for? Who will stay with us? Who will leave for elsewhere? Always exciting to see the fixture list for the first time, but the summer recruitment will be the most interesting part of this summer, for sure.

Good, sensible read, Jimsing. Thanks. :thumbs:
 

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There is more to football than just kicking the ball, and data cannot solely be used as a first choice decision making implement, although it can be pretty useful in some areas.

Ball control is a must, especially the further up the league you get. That has to be first on the list of data. Being comfortable on the ball has to be another.

Protecting the ball from the opposing player is something that should be taught at a very young age, so that when they get to the first team it becomes natural, rather than forced.
So many times I see our players getting the ball and turning the wrong way, or get muscled off the ball, or other players do not make themselves available to help out.

Being able to head the ball has to be another skill, regardless of position, that the academy players should have to have. The number of times that someone like Mayor tracks back with a player, for a corner maybe, and makes no effort to head the ball. He's not a great header of the ball, he just tries to be a presence to put the opposing player off.

Shoulder to shoulder contact is part of the game but it seems that if a player goes down he gets a free kick, regardless. More input should be placed on this throughout the academy so that the players can deal with it when they get to the first team.

There is a difference between youth football and first team football and players must be skilled as soon as they get into the first team squad, not have to pick these things up when they get into the first team. I'm afraid Lolos may not have done enough and gets pushed off the ball too easily and we may lose him at the end of the season.

We have to wait for the fruits of the academy to bring forward first team players automatically. They need to be coached into how to play men's football so that they are ready when called upon and we may have to wait a few seasons for the current academy to provide our team with ready made players. Jephers and Coops are the exception, and there may be one or two who may be able to follow, but that will be because of their own footballing traits and not due to the change in coaching which has only just started to take effect.

These are not dark arts. These are the ways that the game should be played.

The squad should be made aware of how the opposition use the dark arts, and be shown how to nullify them, or at least deal with them.

Referees are so different in how they manage the game. More importantly some referees are more easily conned than others and the Club should make the players aware of how each referee will react to the various situations that occur.

Small advantages turn into big advantages if the players are given the right information about how the referees deal with the nuances of the game.

It's no good managers complaining about a certain refereeing decision after the match if the referee has a reputation for it before the match begins!

Men v boys has been the name of the game in several matches this season, but that will always be the case when we rely on youngsters, either through our academy, or on loan.

Experience is gained through time and every successful team has to have a mixture of both youth and experience. We are lacking in the latter, especially in our defence, but we must give Lowe the opportunity to put this right in the summer as he allowed, rightly in my mind, our experience to leave in January.

Be optimistic for next season. An improvement would be a top half finish with a flirt at the play-offs a possibility must be the target. Improvement season on season has to be the target.

Recruitment will always be the key, so let us hope that Lowe and his staff can improve the team each season until we become more experienced, more battle conscious, more street-wise, and then we can have a go at promotion, just like we did last season, before Covid came our way.

More experienced players don't come cheap but we have the grandstand to get us extra profit, and lets hope Covid doesn't curtail its effectiveness in providing extra cash for the first team, although there will be other expenses that the grandstand will have to provide for, and catering for Covid may be an added expense in itself.

Summer is always interesting and frustrating at the same time. When do the new arrivals arrive? Who will they be? What positions will they vie for? Who will stay with us? Who will leave for elsewhere? Always exciting to see the fixture list for the first time, but the summer recruitment will be the most interesting part of this summer, for sure.
Excellent post, jimsing.
You list most, if not all, of the attributes that a team needs to be successful in the EFL and we should be comparing our team’s attributes with other teams in League 1 this season.
I would suggest that we have a way to go to compete with the better teams in this league on a number of attributes that you have raised. These include instant ball control, comfort on and protecting the ball and ability to use body strength to retain possession and not be muscled off the ball.
I would also agree that we need to have more experience and be more battle conscious and street wise, particularly in the spine of the team. We should not only be able to head the ball, but direct it accurately. With regard to accuracy and power, we do not have many current players who can shoot powerfully and accurately from dead ball situations.
I agree with Philevs and Mark58; this board is for opinions and your post has provided us with the opportunity to make comparisons with our opponents based on what we have seen with our own eyes, home and away, this season.
Of course, we are not experts and we would all hope that, based on what we have seen, our management team will be striving to make improvements in these areas for next season.
 
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Seasoned pros cost money - so either we keep looking for wee nuggets or we bust the budget and go for broke. No thanks, we all know where that road leads...

I don't understand your comments on busting the budget for seasoned pros

Sonny Bradley
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Danny Mayor ok his wages are reported high
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Rubes

All players in our recent past or current squad that could do A man's Job on the pitch but didn't cost us anything or very little money. Most of the ex players would have walked into this team.

We don't have to rely fully on young premiership U23's in my opinion. Yea a couple but we have too many in this squad
 
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People keep saying stuff like the fans aren’t experts.

So OK. I get that. We aren’t.

However, we have all watched a lot of football throughout the different decades. Fans can’t agree on players they like and dislike because we all enjoy different styles and attributes in football.

However, the fans aren’t stupid. There are a number of great posters on here, with whom l have differing views, but often eloquently make some very valid points.

Data analysis is all well and good. It might tell you that player made 87 out of 100 complete short passes. However, were most of those passes sideways/backwards or were they passed forward in order to get the team moving up the park. There might be a player with only 70 out of 100 compete short passes but his passes actually lead to the team moving up the field.

I just think the answer isn’t just using data analysis but watching a player in the flesh numerous times which l hope Argyle continues to do as well.