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What have the loanees brought to the team
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Not sure about it being better than 20/30 years ago. The football may be technically better but a lot of the passion and pride has gone. IMO there is too much analysis, cheating and players who are overpaid for doing a job they are lucky to have. As for VAR :facepalm:mervyn":3cixhxfl said:
VAR is ruining the game in some ways. Two offsides this weekend for Wolves and Liverpool denying good goals, why can't they leave it at the feet on the ground being the only method to determine it? If we are looking at the 3rd division/League 1 then the football is unquestionably better than 30 years ago. Better pitches, lighter balls, the abolition of the back pass rule, better training, sports science, diets etc all help make today's players overall better athletes and then of course the huge number of foreign players into the English game has seen many players in league 1 who in those days would have been playing a division higher.oldage":veus755r said:
As regards cheating, I think there has always been a fair bit of that. Rodney Marsh, Franny Lee, Stan Bowles all knew how to go down in the box to earn a penalty and we are talking 50 years ago there. In some ways I preferred some of the games on heavy pitches to give some variety, it all seems the same now in many ways. Even today I think there is passion and pride with most players, once the group are in the dressing room/on the pitch situation winning is what matters. You only have to look at the sheer joy and excitement when top players on tens of thousands a week react when goals are scored in big games. Whether it's local parks or Champion's league football they all get the same kick from winning a big game or a trophy I think.
I hope this season has been a bit of a learning curve for the management team at Home Park and perhaps next season there will be a better mix of permanent and loan signings and younger and experienced players. Overall though I think the policy of producing or buying young players to sell on at a profit is better than the journeymen signings with no resale value for a club in our situation.
Well last year they were instrumental in getting us promoted, and this year they have helped us to remain in L1.
How crazy would we be expecting success with our traditional "Happy shopper" player recruitment, there's no way we can compete with the wealthiest clubs in this division, which means we'll end up with players no one else wants.
As long as the loan system exists we need to use it as everyone else does, as without it we'd be cannon fodder.
What a stupid thread.
How crazy would we be expecting success with our traditional "Happy shopper" player recruitment, there's no way we can compete with the wealthiest clubs in this division, which means we'll end up with players no one else wants.
As long as the loan system exists we need to use it as everyone else does, as without it we'd be cannon fodder.
What a stupid thread.
Perhaps the balance of loanees isn't quite right, During Argyle's winning runs this season (and last) we weren't complaining much. As things have got tougher this season we have been found wanting in all areas of the pitch, not just loan players have struggled. I think that just a couple of seasoned pro's would make all the difference to the overall team performances, especially when we are up against it. Young talents need direction on the pitch, as well as coaching off it.
They've helped us to stay up comfortably, at a significantly cheaper cost than the counterfactual (signing more experienced players on permanent contracts) at a time when lower league football - including Argyle - is facing a severe financial crisis.
(I think this point is too little understood- but that's probably for another thread).
As it happens, I think they've been a little bit short of the quality that's required for players we're developing for other teams.
And more widely, the balance of experience in the squad hasn't been quite right. We've got too many young players who let their heads drop when things are going against us, and are obviously tiring and making errors at the end of a long season.
But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
They've all shown flashes of quality at times, and when you think how much other players we've had at similar age have improved (both our own youngsters like Curtis Nelson and Conor Hourihane, or those we've had on loan like Joe Bryan or Bobby Reid) I wouldn't be averse to taking any of them back on a longer term basis.
(I think this point is too little understood- but that's probably for another thread).
As it happens, I think they've been a little bit short of the quality that's required for players we're developing for other teams.
And more widely, the balance of experience in the squad hasn't been quite right. We've got too many young players who let their heads drop when things are going against us, and are obviously tiring and making errors at the end of a long season.
But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
They've all shown flashes of quality at times, and when you think how much other players we've had at similar age have improved (both our own youngsters like Curtis Nelson and Conor Hourihane, or those we've had on loan like Joe Bryan or Bobby Reid) I wouldn't be averse to taking any of them back on a longer term basis.
What we are seeing is that, in defence especially, you need experience.PL2 3DQ":dob85wdv said:
You might get away with 1 rookie defender on loan, but 2 and your defensive cover too? That is asking for trouble. The back 3/4/5 seems to have been an afterthought this season. Lowe needs to learn the lesson, and quick.
the_corkscrew":21ljfdx9 said:
I go along with this. I can’t remember which famous manager said that all team building should start from the back because if you’re not leaking goals you’re half way there. Makes sense.
we can lose all 5 games and still are safe, that is comfortable enough.
Unless of course you just like to complain for the sake of it
Unless of course you just like to complain for the sake of it
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the_corkscrew":1sbsdh98 said:
Hence in four transfer windows Lowe has signed just one new centre-back on a permanent contract.
The old football adage is build from the back and not the front.
In Lowe's defence (excuse the pun) the defence from last season of Wootton, Canavan and Sawyer kept the most clean sheets in League Two and only other two other teams conceded less goals so Lowe might have thought they would do well in League One. We also had an excellent keeper in Palmer.
This season Sawyer gets injured, Wootton gets found out in a higher league and we have a rookie keeper playing his first full season as a professional.
We then had Opoku and Watts also both playing their first full season as professionals and the revolving door at left wing-back where none of the candidates could defend so looking back with hindsight the defence was a recipe for disaster where only Cooper can emerge with any credit, although Aimson and Edwards have done ok in defensive roles.
For me, I would much prefer to build from the back with permanent players who are willing and able to put their bodies on the line for our/their club. I would rather take loans for the flair players, potential game-changers or off the bench type players. I would much prefer the loanees to make mistakes and ‘learn’ further up the pitch.
That said, it must be considered our wage contributions to these players will be reduced (likely) and they are, or should be, better than what’s available when considering a quality vs cost equation. That’s the simple reality.
That said, it must be considered our wage contributions to these players will be reduced (likely) and they are, or should be, better than what’s available when considering a quality vs cost equation. That’s the simple reality.
For me, loanees should be extras, for example game changing players, luxury players, players to provide competition etc. The spine of your side should be made up of permanent squads members.
Cobi Budge":22toneo4 said:
I’ll ask my usual question. Who would your spine be?
Which players that we don’t have would have been definitely willing to sign for us?
Kevin Pedlar":3u4sp0s7 said:
I’m not part of the recruitment process. I’m sure there are players out there.
But for example, back in 2016 we had a spine consisting of McCormick, Hartley, Nelson, McHugh, Carey and Brunt/Reid, all of whom were permanent players. That’s the sort of thing I’m talking about.