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Don't start with that rubbish again. It doesn't matter where we are in the table people always say it's not time to throw in young players. If we're near the top, they're not good enough and can't handle the pressure, if we're near the bottom, they're not good enough and can't handle the pressure and if we're midtable people argue that a couple of win or a couple of defeats and we'll be in a promotion push or relegation battle so we can't afford to. It's nonsense. It doesn't matter where you are in the league if a player is good enough.lyndhurst green":hpr7v8g3 said:
MarkMatthews":2lq1yqb0 said:
Give it a rest fella you're boring now, you've made your point stop banging on about it in every thread if they are good enough they will be picked if they are not they won't end of story
Voice_of_Reason":2pa0ln5a said:
Derek Adams must be on one of the securest deals in the football league, coupled with one of the most patient of chairmen.
Mark, you’re getting beyond parody now. Even the signing of a much-needed striker attracts your ire? Church is being brought in because he has very specific attributes.... he is tall and physical, can play as a lone forward, he is experienced in this league, and he can bring others into play as Ryan Taylor does, as we attempt to make absolutely sure we don’t get relegated.
Can you tell us who from the academy can do that job?
I’ve come to the conclusion you have a far, far greater interest in the success of the young lads you personally know who play for Plymouth Argyle, than Plymouth Argyle itself. Your suggestion that the academy is in a state of managed decline AND your advice for talented players to go to Exeter is a disgrace, not the fact that Derek Adams has signed an experienced League 1 centre forward.
It is in absolutely everyone’s interest to have an academy regularly churning out fantastic players, and if you don’t think Derek Adams would love that to happen then you’re kidding yourself. At present, they are simply not good enough or don’t fit into the way we play.
But I’m sure everything will be OK once Stan Ternent takes over.
Can you tell us who from the academy can do that job?
I’ve come to the conclusion you have a far, far greater interest in the success of the young lads you personally know who play for Plymouth Argyle, than Plymouth Argyle itself. Your suggestion that the academy is in a state of managed decline AND your advice for talented players to go to Exeter is a disgrace, not the fact that Derek Adams has signed an experienced League 1 centre forward.
It is in absolutely everyone’s interest to have an academy regularly churning out fantastic players, and if you don’t think Derek Adams would love that to happen then you’re kidding yourself. At present, they are simply not good enough or don’t fit into the way we play.
But I’m sure everything will be OK once Stan Ternent takes over.
I get that we need to be doing more to bring young players into the fold but I honestly can't see how signing Church has impact on that whatsoever. We don't have anyone in the youth team that could do his job, we've seen the difference a player of his or Taylor's skill-set can bring to our system, as good as it would be to develop young players, having a square peg because he's one of our own in such an important position is a huge, huge mistake.
Good response Biggs. I am very much pro Academy but they have to be good enough. Management decided that neither of the Harveys was good enough and their progress since their departure seems to suggest that no other EFL manager has a different opinion although several have had a look at Tyler.
I can understand Cory Harvey posting a ‘sour grapes’ opinion on Twitter but I am surprised and disappointed that Mark chose to copy it on Pasoti.
We will see another Academy product on show today. I don’t mind if Christian Walton has a decent game as long as he ends up on the losing side.
I can understand Cory Harvey posting a ‘sour grapes’ opinion on Twitter but I am surprised and disappointed that Mark chose to copy it on Pasoti.
We will see another Academy product on show today. I don’t mind if Christian Walton has a decent game as long as he ends up on the losing side.
Sad to say there are certain posters who have a particular agenda to dis the manager and or the chairman. If they can achieve that through whatever means they can eg knocking the academy or failure to give youngsters 1 st team time they take evry opportunity to do so. One has to question what lies behind their motives and if they really do support the club.
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Biggs":8chut5b0 said:
Well said. If only Mark would celebrate and acknowledge the youngsters who do make it into the first team he would be taken more seriously. Not many managers would play a young striker while in the relegation zone and Adams did that with Fletcher.
Sangster and Cooper have also made their first team debuts this season.
If you're good enough ......
Clearly a lot of factors in the whole thing but one of those will be finances. The youth system, well what there is of one, is not cheap. One could argue the wages of 3 or 4 first year pros are inexpensive, but when they are not playing or around the first team it is lost money.
Until this season, I do not personally believe the youth (outfielders) had a route to the first team. I mean the quality of the second team football is a far far cry from League One. The area only really has Torquay to farm our youth out on loan.
The participation in the Central League is a better and bigger step to show caskng yourself as good enough in League football.
Over the last 5 years only, what examples of Argyle releasing players and them proving the management at Argyle to be wrong? I can think of possibly one player, how many have we released?
Until this season, I do not personally believe the youth (outfielders) had a route to the first team. I mean the quality of the second team football is a far far cry from League One. The area only really has Torquay to farm our youth out on loan.
The participation in the Central League is a better and bigger step to show caskng yourself as good enough in League football.
Over the last 5 years only, what examples of Argyle releasing players and them proving the management at Argyle to be wrong? I can think of possibly one player, how many have we released?
Maybe we should shut the academy, instead of giving opportunities to more young brats like Cory Harvey.
If they all have his attitude it's no wonder they get released.
If they all have his attitude it's no wonder they get released.
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I will repeat my post from a previous thread about our Academy.
I hope that Callum Rose has taken this opportunity if he does not make it with another EFL club.
I hope that Callum Rose has taken this opportunity if he does not make it with another EFL club.