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Mark58

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I'm pretty certain that it was the Trumpton-esque surroundings of Torquay United's Plainmoor ground that witnessed my first foray into the dark, dangerous and, more often than not, deeply disappointing pastime of watching Argyle flounder away from home. I was 15 years old and my Dad drove us to Torquay as a treat. Up to then I had only ever watched Argyle at Home Park, so I didn't know what to expect.

Although it embarrasses me that I can remember very little about the actual game (including the score!) I have managed to narrow it down following some detective work. Firstly, I distinctly remember it as taking place on a Saturday evening, rather than the traditional 3.00pm kick-off slot. In the 60s and 70s Torquay were one of only two football league clubs (I think Southend may have been the other one?) who apparently had dispensation to play their Saturday home fixtures in the evening. I remember my father telling me that it was due to the fact that Torquay relied almost entirely on the holiday trade for its economy. With the vast majority of its fanbase working on a Saturday afternoon - selling ice cream at exorbitant prices to unsuspecting Londoners - they couldn't pop over to 'Trumpton' to watch a football match. How this argument held water in, for example, the middle of a freezing cold February afternoon, with the wind screaming and rain coming down horizontally, is beyond me - but just take it from me that for some time Torquay played all their home games on a Saturday evening.

Furthermore, I recall it being a relatively mild and sunny evening, suggesting some time at the beginning of a season – possibly August? That time of year would certainly correspond with my memory of the sun shining directly into our eyes as it slowly went down behind the stand opposite us. Thanks to the incredible database that is Greens on Screen I have been able to confidently narrow the match down to the 23rd of August 1969. I am also pleased to report that Argyle won 2-1, although why such a result in my first-ever away match doesn’t shine out like a memory beacon is a mystery.

The one thing I vividly recall is the cramped conditions where we stood to watch it. The official attendance was 10,946 and as the capacity of Plainmoor at that time was 11,099 I think it is fair to call it a ‘sell out’. My Dad and I were squashed in a throng of random supporters on one side of the ground i.e. not behind either goal. Quite amazingly, and difficult to imagine in this day and age, there was absolutely no segregation at football matches then. Home fans and away fans just bought tickets for any part of the ground and (in the main) co-existed quite peacefully without fear of being beaten up or knifed in a moment of tribal passion. Indeed, I clearly remember the early days of watching Argyle from the main grandstand at Home Park and witnessing at half time an exodus of Argyle fans walking from behind one goal, along the terraces to stand behind the opposite goal. Thus, they would be in the thick of the action of Argyle’s attacks for the whole match.

The other thing that stands out in my mind about that Torquay match was being surrounded by mainly home fans and vociferously decrying the actions of what I considered to be a biased ‘homer’ referee. Some Torquay guy standing in front of me disputed my suggestion of bias by pointing out that the ref had the assistance of two linesmen and neither of them saw anything wrong. I replied, ‘Yeah, but they're probably from Brixham and Paignton!’ I was still congratulating myself on my stunning wit and repartee when my Dad leant into me and told me to shut up or we were likely to get ‘done’. I must admit that in my naivety (all of 15, going on 10) I had not considered that miles from the safety of Home Park the risk of 'getting nutted' could, indeed, be a very real possibility. It had a salutatory effect on me and I was quiet as a church mouse for the rest of the game. It was a life lesson learnt - if you wanted to survive when following your team away from home in the late 60s, the 70s and the 80s, it was wise to watch your back and keep your smartass comments to yourself. :lol:

Does anyone else have a (hopefully) better recollection of their first away game? :scarf:
 
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Early 60s for me. Ashton gate, I don't remember a lot about it other than we lost one nil,Dave McLaren was in goal and there were lots of Argyle fans egged on by a drummer. Dad blamed McLaren for losing, consequently and no doubt unfairly,I have always thought of him as being a crap keeper.
 
Mark58":174qq2fp said:
I'm pretty certain that it was the Trumpton-esque surroundings of Torquay United's Plainmoor ground that witnessed my first foray into the dark, dangerous and, more often than not, deeply disappointing pastime of watching Argyle flounder away from home. I was 15 years old and my Dad drove us to Torquay as a treat. Up to then I had only ever watched Argyle at Home Park, so I didn't know what to expect.

Although it embarrasses me that I can remember very little about the actual game (including the score!) I have managed to narrow it down following some detective work. Firstly, I distinctly remember it as taking place on a Saturday evening, rather than the traditional 3.00pm kick-off slot. In the 60s and 70s Torquay were one of only two football league clubs (I think Southend may have been the other one?) who apparently had dispensation to play their Saturday home fixtures in the evening. I remember my father telling me that it was due to the fact that Torquay relied almost entirely on the holiday trade for its economy. With the vast majority of its fanbase working on a Saturday afternoon - selling ice cream at exorbitant prices to unsuspecting Londoners - they couldn't pop over to 'Trumpton' to watch a football match. How this argument held water in, for example, the middle of a freezing cold February afternoon, with the wind screaming and rain coming down horizontally, is beyond me - but just take it from me that for some time Torquay played all their home games on a Saturday evening.

Furthermore, I recall it being a relatively mild and sunny evening, suggesting some time at the beginning of a season – possibly August? That time of year would certainly correspond with my memory of the sun shining directly into our eyes as it slowly went down behind the stand opposite us. Thanks to the incredible database that is Greens on Screen I have been able to confidently narrow the match down to the 23rd of August 1969. I am also pleased to report that Argyle won 2-1, although why such a result in my first-ever away match doesn’t shine out like a memory beacon is a mystery.

The one thing I vividly recall is the cramped conditions where we stood to watch it. The official attendance was 10,946 and as the capacity of Plainmoor at that time was 11,099 I think it is fair to call it a ‘sell out’. My Dad and I were squashed in a throng of random supporters on one side of the ground i.e. not behind either goal. Quite amazingly, and difficult to imagine in this day and age, there was absolutely no segregation at football matches then. Home fans and away fans just bought tickets for any part of the ground and (in the main) co-existed quite peacefully without fear of being beaten up or knifed in a moment of tribal passion. Indeed, I clearly remember the early days of watching Argyle from the main grandstand at Home Park and witnessing at half time an exodus of Argyle fans walking from behind one goal, along the terraces to stand behind the opposite goal. Thus, they would be in the thick of the action of Argyle’s attacks for the whole match.

The other thing that stands out in my mind about that Torquay match was being surrounded by mainly home fans and vociferously decrying the actions of what I considered to be a biased ‘homer’ referee. Some Torquay guy standing in front of me disputed my suggestion of bias by pointing out that the ref had the assistance of two linesmen and neither of them saw anything wrong. I replied, ‘Yeah, but they're probably from Brixham and Paignton!’ I was still congratulating myself on my stunning wit and repartee when my Dad leant into me and told me to shut up or we were likely to get ‘done’. I must admit that in my naivety (all of 15, going on 10) I had not considered that miles from the safety of Home Park the risk of 'getting nutted' could, indeed, be a very real possibility. It had a salutatory effect on me and I was quiet as a church mouse for the rest of the game. It was a life lesson learnt - if you wanted to survive when following your team away from home in the late 60s, the 70s and the 80s, it was wise to watch your back and keep your smartass comments to yourself. :lol:

Does anyone else have a (hopefully) better recollection of their first away game? :scarf:

Your mention of non-segregated crowds reminds me of the one thing I miss about football from that era. I used to watch Aldershot, among other Home Counties teams, where the entire local behind the goal support would swap ends at half time. I miss the banter and wit that used to pas between rival supporters standing close to each other, without the slightest danger of fisticuffs, even at the North London derby. Impossible to imagine nowadays.
 

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19 August 1967 - first game of the season against Cardiff City. Got driven up by a mate and his brother in a Singer Vogue. We drew 1-1, went 1 down but drew level with a John Mitten goal in the second half. The only thin I remember about Ninian Park was the slightly uneasy experience of the away terracing being wooden planks above people walking below. Would never be allowed now.
 

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Newport County at there old ground in the Dave smith promotion season. Can remember being up
In one of my mates dads Mark 1 ford escort
 

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Your mention of non-segregated crowds reminds me of the one thing I miss about football from that era. I used to watch Aldershot, among other Home Counties teams, where the entire local behind the goal support would swap ends at half time. I miss the banter and wit that used to pas between rival supporters standing close to each other, without the slightest danger of fisticuffs, even at the North London derby. Impossible to imagine nowadays.[/quote]

I agree, Mervyn. When I moved away from Plymouth for work in 1978 I would regularly watch Argyle at grounds nearer my new home to get my 'fix'. More often than not I would sit (always preferred sitting to standing - still do! ;) ) amongst the home supporters and get into friendly conversations with them about the match in general and our respective teams. Whatever the result there would be a handshake, 'best of luck' and we would go our own ways. But then, of course, there was Millwall... :shock:
 
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Aug 76 away to the Greeks in the League cup. We lost over two legs. Actually lost both games from memory. Remember there being loads of trouble in Exeter pre match and thinking that it was a bit of a tasty rivalry against a team in red and white stripes. Deja vu.

First league game away was at Oldham the same month I think. 2-2 draw with Brian Hall in the team. Might have been first league game of the season. Long coach trip up north but wrong side of the Pennines, obviously.
 
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It’s interesting that the opening post mentions Torquay as it was mine too, albeit in the 95/96 season!

Torquay were bottom but I believe they didn’t have any danger of getting relegated due to nobody in the conference having a good enough ground. I remember we were given the home terrace on the side of the pitch. Not a great game I believe but we won 2-0 and Littlejohn got on the scoresheet after a dry patch.

My first proper away game was Orient away in Hodges’ 2nd season. We were awful, showed no heart, lost 3-0 conceding really soft goals and lost any realistic hope of securing a play off spot.
 
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Leeds v Argyle in 1973 at Elland Road. We lost 2-1. It was Revie's invincible crew-cuts in white who were top of the 1st Division versus no-hope Argyle, struggling in the 3rd. When Derek Rickard equalised in the second half I really believed that dreams come true. Leeds weren't playing well and Ernie Machin was bossing the midfield (I think Bremner was injured or suspended). Unfortunately, Leeds score again soon after and that was that. But that feeling of delirious happiness about what can happen in football, possibly more than any other sport, I have never forgotten, and has led me to a lifetime of waiting for the 'sleeping giant' to awaken.
 
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1976 vs The Gas at Eastville, a 1-1 draw with us scoring late to salvage a point.

What a dump Eastville was! I remember refreshments were served in an old caravan, and one of the servers was a very attractive young lady. The Argyle fans started chanting “we want sex” before it was rapidly closed and then it was bounced up and down before everyone was chased off by the police.

Interesting times...
 

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saxman":3fbcqm4w said:
Leeds v Argyle in 1973 at Elland Road. We lost 2-1. It was Revie's invincible crew-cuts in white who were top of the 1st Division versus no-hope Argyle, struggling in the 3rd. When Derek Rickard equalised in the second half I really believed that dreams come true. Leeds weren't playing well and Ernie Machin was bossing the midfield (I think Bremner was injured or suspended). Unfortunately, Leeds score again soon after and that was that. But that feeling of delirious happiness about what can happen in football, possibly more than any other sport, I have never forgotten, and has led me to a lifetime of waiting for the 'sleeping giant' to awaken.

Who would have thought that Leeds would become that sleeping giant instead?
 

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saxman":4xtndmtm said:
Leeds v Argyle in 1973 at Elland Road. We lost 2-1. It was Revie's invincible crew-cuts in white who were top of the 1st Division versus no-hope Argyle, struggling in the 3rd. When Derek Rickard equalised in the second half I really believed that dreams come true. Leeds weren't playing well and Ernie Machin was bossing the midfield (I think Bremner was injured or suspended). Unfortunately, Leeds score again soon after and that was that. But that feeling of delirious happiness about what can happen in football, possibly more than any other sport, I have never forgotten, and has led me to a lifetime of waiting for the 'sleeping giant' to awaken.

I was there! I think Plymouth to Leeds remains my longest day trip to watch Argyle (I am sure many others will have done the Carlisle/Hartlepool thing, of course). It was an amazing experience to see them give as good as they got against a team that would be the equivalent of a Liverpool or the two Manchesters today. Happy times. :scarf:
 
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Mark58":7i4onebz said:
saxman":7i4onebz said:
Leeds v Argyle in 1973 at Elland Road. We lost 2-1. It was Revie's invincible crew-cuts in white who were top of the 1st Division versus no-hope Argyle, struggling in the 3rd. When Derek Rickard equalised in the second half I really believed that dreams come true. Leeds weren't playing well and Ernie Machin was bossing the midfield (I think Bremner was injured or suspended). Unfortunately, Leeds score again soon after and that was that. But that feeling of delirious happiness about what can happen in football, possibly more than any other sport, I have never forgotten, and has led me to a lifetime of waiting for the 'sleeping giant' to awaken.

I was there! I think Plymouth to Leeds remains my longest day trip to watch Argyle (I am sure many others will have done the Carlisle/Hartlepool thing, of course). It was an amazing experience to see them give as good as they got against a team that would be the equivalent of a Liverpool or the two Manchesters today. Happy times. :scarf:

We never looked like loosing did we? Ah well. A couple of seasons afterwards we went to Hull to see Argyle draw nil nil in a league game. Left Cornwall in T shirts only to be met by a Siberian Easterly on Humberside, coldest place I'd ever been....