Balham_Green wrote:up_the_line wrote:Balham_Green wrote:up_the_line wrote:oldage wrote:Manchesterlalala wrote: Tin hat on.
For me Danny Mayor is every bit as good as Carey and Lameiras were. But those two delivered some amazing (and important) individual goals which Danny's lacked so far. Therein lies the rub - plenty of Argyle fans only look at goals scored to see a player's value. However his input to the whole game and the system we play is seriously impressive. He draws defenders away for others to make runs and whilst he's not always the immediate assist, a lot of what he does ends up creating a chance somewhere down the line. And it's so exciting seeing players play for your team who can take on and beat men with a bit of trickery. But if he had 15 goals a season to go with that, he most definitely would not be playing for us in League 1.
As for Lowe, in 35 of years of being a fan, he's probably my favourite manager. Sturrock got the results first time round but we were largely ugly to watch and his off field demeanour wasn't as captivating. Lovely guy but the way Lowe interacts with our fans and media together with the football he gets us to play is what sets him apart for me. Not to mention his network of contacts is impressive for a young manager. He's destined for bigger and better - whether the club can move forward at the same pace remains to be seen but I hope we all succed in his vision together.
To give a different view ,Mayor is a good player but not half as good as he was made out to be by RL. Lameiras on his day was
a far better player as was Carey in his heyday. RL has brainwashed a lot of fans because "he talks the talk" and is personable. In truth we scraped home last season and I am pleasantly surprised at our current position but RL has been blessed with the backing of an excellent chairman who has supported him all the way. I really hope that RL delivers but imo it is too early to put him in the same bracket as Sturrock.Time will tell.
The term 'scraped home' is hugely disengenuous when there were weeks of the season left to play when it was abandoned. Argyle's form was improving at that time.
Its interesting to read the opinion that Lameiras and Carey were so superior considering they were part of a team that was relegated to division 4. If they were so good, why did the likes of Mayor have to come to undo their relegation? All I can say is thank god Mayor did turn up after those two supposedly incredible players hadn't managed to keep us in the third tier of English football.
Interesting that both players didn't get snapped up by higher league English teams too at the end of their stint with Argyle...one would have thought Carey would have been keen to showcase his skills for (presumably) one of the many championships suitors rather than in a dire league in front of paltry sub 1000 crowds... I mean since he was soooo superior.
I have to agree with Manchester, it seems that certain Argyle fans have a very basic way of measuring player quality: did he score? No = crap, Yes = fantastic.
Well Carey ended up in the Bulgarian 1st Division and Lameiras in the Portuguese 1st Division so they didn't do too badly! And they were both part of a side just missing out on the play offs in previous season. They can hardly be blamed for our defensive deficiencies when we got relegated.
The Bulgarian and Portuguese 1st divisions:
In the words of Shania Twain, that don't impress me much.
Or are we saying that Carey turned down countless offers from the likes of Derby or Middlesbrough to peruse a dream of playing in front of 750 fans in a crumbling, windswept bowl?
Perhaps money had something to do with it?! Obviously Lameiras was not likely to play in the Bundesliga for example but Portuguese 1st division is a pretty good standard.
I watched Sporting CP when I was in Lisbon. The opposition team were laughably crap.
Which channel is showing the games from Portugal?