People are talking like what happened on Monday was a one off.

We went in at 0-0. That first half was poor. Yet the second half was atrocious.

Now look back at the last handful of games. Even in games we got points in. And look at how we played in the first 45 mins and then compare this to the second 45 mins.

We are talking on this thread like this was an isolated incident. It’s been happening for most of the season. My frustration isn’t just with the Monday performance. It’s with the majority of second half performances this season.

So people talk about we played like we are on holiday as we reached 52 points. So what’s the excuse for playing so poorly in second half of games all the way back on November for example.

It’s not their mentality on Monday that’s the problem. It’s the mentality that’s been carrying on this season that is. I hope what we saw on Monday from Lowe was his patience finally snap with a number of individuals. We shall see.

We’ll never know what RL is really thinking about his own input, but as you say, the fact is that this pattern goes back many months. To me this suggests he’s not personally learning much from poor performances, for example how to make better tactical changes and how to get the best out of his players.
I find this of some concern.

People are talking like what happened on Monday was a one off.

We went in at 0-0. That first half was poor. Yet the second half was atrocious.

Now look back at the last handful of games. Even in games we got points in. And look at how we played in the first 45 mins and then compare this to the second 45 mins.

We are talking on this thread like this was an isolated incident. It’s been happening for most of the season. My frustration isn’t just with the Monday performance. It’s with the majority of second half performances this season.

So people talk about we played like we are on holiday as we reached 52 points. So what’s the excuse for playing so poorly in second half of games all the way back on November for example.

It’s not their mentality on Monday that’s the problem. It’s the mentality that’s been carrying on this season that is. I hope what we saw on Monday from Lowe was his patience finally snap with a number of individuals. We shall see.

You haven’t mentioned this recently, Mickey, but I am coming around to your suggestion of playing Joe Edwards in midfield. He did not have his best game at Shrewsbury and I think he may have been carrying a knock but, if fit, I think it could be worth trying him in the middle.
In many ways, I think that Camara and Fornah are similar and do not necessarily complement each other. I think they can both be exposed for pace when turning by nippy midfielders.
I have not been too impressed with Byron Moore (mainly as a sub) this season but, perhaps, he could take RWB role.

I am sorry, justanotherfan, that you take exception to the language I used to make my point. Perhaps you should have focused on what I was trying to convey rather than the way I expressed it.

Having studied, researched, taught and practiced management for many a long year, I felt that I had something to contribute to the debate on here. My main point was that, in most situations, an emotional immediate response by senior managers to a disappointing outcome is counter-productive. A better response is to calmly analyse what went wrong (including and especially their own actions in the scenario) and to try in put in place practices that reduce the likelihood of the said event happening again.

I'm not saying that I've always practiced what I've preached, but I can possibly pick up when someone has pressed the wrong buttons better than most. This seems to be one of those situations.

The saving grace is that our chairman has read much of the good management literature and his business track-record indicates that he is good at putting this into practice. I am sure that he will counsel our management team to deploy the more effective techniques to respond to this single defeat that came after two wins and a draw. Luckily we are in good hands and Ryan Lowe should bless his lucky stars that he has such a shrewd mentor.

Beware of anybody who has " studied,researched,taught and practised management for many a long year" Probably an academic with little grasp of the real world and next to no common sense.
I have come across a number of these so called experts during my career and yes I am professionally qualified but to suggest anybody who reads good management literature is good at managing is IMO fanciful.

Reading everyones thoughts has got me thinking- is RL burying is head in the sand regarding the ongoing issues we have had this season or his he just flying by the seat of his pants & awaiting the end of season report- if it is the latter the remaining games will not be enjoyable.

His numerous,tweaking, tinkering, bizarre subsitutions & failure to adapt to every eventuality during the phases of a match suggest his fixation on playing one way & one way only is detrimental to the team

Many have said our 2nd half failures are due to the fact the opposition have sussed us out- if that is the case it must be soul destroying to the boys that they are in a very rigid structure & they have not been given the tools to be able to counteract whatever the opposition throw at them

It is ok RL saying we will score more than the opposition but when we only score 1 that is an issue as we have seen on more than 1 occasion this season- for all the knowledgeable people he has around him surely they see what we see or are they all totally locked into the strategy RL adopts - if that is the case next season will be the same as this season albeit different playing personnel

Yes i accept RL is only a couple of years into is management career & he is still learning his trade but if we are to progress he needs to adapt & take the learning lessons of this season into next season

It’s interesting to read all of the comments about the effectiveness of different management styles (wider than just football). I think that a key point that is somewhat missing in the discussion is that it is not simply the manager’s style that makes a difference but also the way that the person being managed responds to it. People are very different and within a team there may be some that need a more direct/aggressive management style and others who need a more gentle ‘coaching’ approach in order to do their best work. Using a single management approach or being adaptable but using the wrong approach for the wrong individual doesn’t help anyone. So the real skill of management is to have ability to use a wide range of approaches AND to know which ones to deploy with which people.

Watch out, Doc. Comments like that will result in you being accused of that sin above all sins - being an academic. Oh...........

PS - agree with what you're saying, but all of that should be done in private - washing dirty linen in public, and all that.

It’s interesting to read all of the comments about the effectiveness of different management styles (wider than just football). I think that a key point that is somewhat missing in the discussion is that it is not simply the manager’s style that makes a difference but also the way that the person being managed responds to it. People are very different and within a team there may be some that need a more direct/aggressive management style and others who need a more gentle ‘coaching’ approach in order to do their best work. Using a single management approach or being adaptable but using the wrong approach for the wrong individual doesn’t help anyone. So the real skill of management is to have ability to use a wide range of approaches AND to know which ones to deploy with which people.

Spot on.

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On the player interview point, does anyone recall Danny Mayor being interviewed pre or post match?

Even a few of the younger pros, Fornah and Cooper have been on duty occasionally.

Agree re Schumacher and Nancekivell would be good to hear from them.

Funnily enough Danny Mayor faced the media today, probably for the first or second time this season.

It’s interesting to read all of the comments about the effectiveness of different management styles (wider than just football). I think that a key point that is somewhat missing in the discussion is that it is not simply the manager’s style that makes a difference but also the way that the person being managed responds to it. People are very different and within a team there may be some that need a more direct/aggressive management style and others who need a more gentle ‘coaching’ approach in order to do their best work. Using a single management approach or being adaptable but using the wrong approach for the wrong individual doesn’t help anyone. So the real skill of management is to have ability to use a wide range of approaches AND to know which ones to deploy with which people.

Spot on.

Blimey. I feel really honoured. I AM an academic by the way!
(But I have been involved in managing - people and things - for many years)

It’s interesting to read all of the comments about the effectiveness of different management styles (wider than just football). I think that a key point that is somewhat missing in the discussion is that it is not simply the manager’s style that makes a difference but also the way that the person being managed responds to it. People are very different and within a team there may be some that need a more direct/aggressive management style and others who need a more gentle ‘coaching’ approach in order to do their best work. Using a single management approach or being adaptable but using the wrong approach for the wrong individual doesn’t help anyone. So the real skill of management is to have ability to use a wide range of approaches AND to know which ones to deploy with which people.

Spot on.

Blimey. I feel really honoured. I AM an academic by the way!
(But I have been involved in managing - people and things - for many years)

No need to feel honoured! No text book or computer data can prepare you to manage all individuals.As you rightly say a wide range of approaches are needed to manage successfully.
One size does not fit all.

On the player interview point, does anyone recall Danny Mayor being interviewed pre or post match?

Even a few of the younger pros, Fornah and Cooper have been on duty occasionally.

Agree re Schumacher and Nancekivell would be good to hear from them.

Danny must read Pasoti as he provided the pre Hull video.

Yet again, yet again, Pasoti is full of people trying to twist facts to suit their agenda.

"We were lucky to get promoted last season", "we only got promoted due to covid". Really? And you know that, how? When the music stopped, we were 3rd. What's to say that we wouldn't have gone on to win the league? (I'm not saying that we would have, but how can anyone possibly know that we definitely wouldn't have gone up?!). Its impossible to know what would have happened, but to say that we were staggering over the line and the season stoppage came at just the right time is absolute b*llocks, we had just won two games in a row 3-0, had been on generally good form since November, and were making up ground on promotion rivals, not losing it.

Also, there doesn't have to be an excuse for every bad thing Ryan Lowe has done in his managerial career either. We have stayed up this season but we haven't exactly been brilliant. Yes, he did get Bury relegated. Yes, he did have a ridiculously good Bury team that he got promoted with.

So far, for us, he has been more positive than negative. But next season is the real acid test for Lowe, we need to be pushing towards the top 6, top half at the very least. Fail to do that, and questions will be asked.

Yet again, yet again, Pasoti is full of people trying to twist facts to suit their agenda.

"We were lucky to get promoted last season", "we only got promoted due to covid". Really? And you know that, how? When the music stopped, we were 3rd. What's to say that we wouldn't have gone on to win the league? (I'm not saying that we would have, but how can anyone possibly know that we definitely wouldn't have gone up?!). Its impossible to know what would have happened, but to say that we were staggering over the line and the season stoppage came at just the right time is absolute b*llocks, we had just won two games in a row 3-0, had been on generally good form since November, and were making up ground on promotion rivals, not losing it.

Also, there doesn't have to be an excuse for every bad thing Ryan Lowe has done in his managerial career either. We have stayed up this season but we haven't exactly been brilliant. Yes, he did get Bury relegated. Yes, he did have a ridiculously good Bury team that he got promoted with.

So far, for us, he has been more positive than negative. But next season is the real acid test for Lowe, we need to be pushing towards the top 6, top half at the very least. Fail to do that, and questions will be asked.

Nobody will ever know if we would have been promoted if the season had ended as normal but it is just as much b.ll.cks to say we would have definitely gone up.If my memory serves me right without the last couple of wins we would still be in division 2?