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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:40 pm 

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Sorry Mark, no serious or forward thinking football club on the planet would even consider those names 10 years ago (or 20 in Saxton’s case), let alone in 2018.

Probably don’t need to give my opinion re a change. Football changes VERY quickly and things that seem hopeless can pick up very quickly, and vice versa. We WILL improve.

There’s no way the board will be even considering anything drastic yet anyway, not least because Adams has tonnes of credit in the bank as well as proving he can get out of these situations last year.


Well not only did we consider, we invited Ternent and Lawrence to interview, less than ten years ago in 2010. I would have been happy with either but remember arguing “Stan the Mans” case with a Lawrence supporter down the local! That said I was delighted when we got Reid!

Burrows was last hired by “backward” looking, Leicester who less than 15 years after would be English champions!

Bobby Saxton has remained in football that whole time. So still very much up to date. Your post seem to be redirected


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:41 am 

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The Club can't afford to sack Adams.I just can't see it happening. I think It's a case of hoping that his dreary tactics and patchy squad gel sufficiently to start grinding out a few results and enough points to avoid relegation.

While Argyle may escape relegation any improvemnt seems very unlikely to be on the scale of last seasons transformation.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:42 am 
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Biggs wrote:
Sorry Mark, no serious or forward thinking football club on the planet would even consider those names 10 years ago (or 20 in Saxton’s case), let alone in 2018.

Probably don’t need to give my opinion re a change. Football changes VERY quickly and things that seem hopeless can pick up very quickly, and vice versa. We WILL improve.

There’s no way the board will be even considering anything drastic yet anyway, not least because Adams has tonnes of credit in the bank as well as proving he can get out of these situations last year.


Well not only did we consider, we invited Ternent and Lawrence to interview, less than ten years ago in 2010. I would have been happy with either but remember arguing “Stan the Mans” case with a Lawrence supporter down the local! That said I was delighted when we got Reid!

Burrows was last hired by “backward” looking, Leicester who less than 15 years after would be English champions!

Bobby Saxton has remained in football that whole time. So still very much up to date. Your post seem to be redirected


Saxton is 75! He still does a bit of scouting I believe but really, suggesting him as our manager?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:13 am 

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How long before the current dire performances start to hit crowd numbers? I think it was only 8,600 today and there were big gaps in the Devonport as well as the usual swathes of empty seats in Barn Park. So that's already 1,000 down on the start of the season for a game played in good weather against a team we'd have been expected to beat (ahem...) Anyone who decided not to go today care to comment?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:17 am 

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Adams has his strengths he really does but I won’t change my position on this now, I don’t enjoy his football, I don’t like the man from a human perspective and I can’t stick Wotton

I won’t shed a tear when they’re kicked out

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:19 am 
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MarkMatthews wrote:
Burrows was last hired by “backward” looking, Leicester who less than 15 years after would be English champions!

Bobby Saxton has remained in football that whole time. So still very much up to date. Your post seem to be redirected


A mere 15 years later... And unfortunately I think the game had moved way past Peter Reid as well, despite his excellent off-pitch efforts.

Mark, all of the names you’ve suggested are well into their 70s and haven’t been managers for over a decade. Can you do some research into present-day coaches who have a good record for bringing young players through? I’d be genuinely interested in your views given your youth team knowledge.

Karl Robinson strikes me as an obvious one in that respect, he may not have much longer at Oxford.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:15 am 

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If this carries on, the crowd will be reduced to ST holders only......with NO match income.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:37 pm 

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Fergy wrote:
The club is too skint to A.) Sack Adams and B.) Make any exciting signings to have us challenging at the top half of this league (like we should be). That won’t change so we’ll be stuck with this dross all season.
not true about the club being skint is it there is a new owner who has put 8.75 million into the club and i suspect he has more money.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:06 pm 

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MarkMatthews wrote:
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Half a season?

A full season?

A free run?

Pretty dire for a good 15 games now. Not just poor, dire.



Totally agree. This is not just a bad startto the season. We were exceptional for 3 months from Jan to Mar 18. The rest have been pure dross in lg1. I really want DA out but he wont go. Hope he has another exceptional 3 months sometime this season

who would you replace him with please?


There plenty of experienced lower league managers out there not currently employed. Stan Ternent, Lennie Lawrence, John Gregory,(if can be tempted away from India) Bobby Saxton, Frank Burrows, even Joe Kinnear (at least he has earned a right to be arrogant and managed at Premier League level.) would all be on my shortlist.



Lol, I have read some crap on this site but that is just bizarre.


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Shankster wrote:
Adams has his strengths he really does but I won’t change my position on this now, I don’t enjoy his football, I don’t like the man from a human perspective and I can’t stick Wotton

I won’t shed a tear when they’re kicked out


How well do you know Adams and Wotton on a personal level?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:13 pm 

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GreenThing wrote:
Shankster wrote:
Adams has his strengths he really does but I won’t change my position on this now, I don’t enjoy his football, I don’t like the man from a human perspective and I can’t stick Wotton

I won’t shed a tear when they’re kicked out


How well do you know Adams and Wotton on a personal level?


Wotton quite well, kids go (went) as mine are all at Uni or comp now, to the same school so have been around him for a decade or so, a fella more immersed in his own sunlight would be difficult to find

Adams no more than any other guy I have had the occasional chat with and sit adjacent to from my block 10 perch week in week out. His is a personality that comes across acerbic and self immersed

Goes with the territory I suppose, but we all make our minds up on people in positions such as theirs

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:13 pm 
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John Gregory gets a mention. What has the bloke done in English football in the last 20 years?

Ringo Starr came to Plymouth once, he's our man.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:39 pm 

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MarkMatthews wrote:
Biggs wrote:
Sorry Mark, no serious or forward thinking football club on the planet would even consider those names 10 years ago (or 20 in Saxton’s case), let alone in 2018.

Probably don’t need to give my opinion re a change. Football changes VERY quickly and things that seem hopeless can pick up very quickly, and vice versa. We WILL improve.

There’s no way the board will be even considering anything drastic yet anyway, not least because Adams has tonnes of credit in the bank as well as proving he can get out of these situations last year.


Well not only did we consider, we invited Ternent and Lawrence to interview, less than ten years ago in 2010. I would have been happy with either but remember arguing “Stan the Mans” case with a Lawrence supporter down the local! That said I was delighted when we got Reid!

Burrows was last hired by “backward” looking, Leicester who less than 15 years after would be English champions!

Bobby Saxton has remained in football that whole time. So still very much up to date. Your post seem to be redirected


Mark, I quite enjoy reading your posts on our youngsters and your obvious passion and belief in their abilities. So I find it a bit odd that you are suggesting experienced but arguably " past their date" managers rather than someone younger such as Way at Yeovil who has drive, is doing well and has obvious Plymouth connections, or any other up and coming young manager.
Mind you, knowing the Argyle board, if they wait and wait, which they probably will, we will be in no position to take a punt on a young manager.


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