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Brief Synopsis!!!

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Didn't sound a fantaastic performance but we still grabbed the more important 3 points, and where we would all want 3 points and a good performance, we all know 3 points is more important than anything else

Luton next COYG !!!
 
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Deacster":15l0r8ki said:
Agree with much of what you say as usual Sam but I think you're way off the mark with Norburn. Strikes me as soneone who really wants to and can dominate the midfield and is a good size for a midfielder, haven't seen him out muscled at all far from it.
It's such a common thing to say about a midfielder who relies on technical ability more than brawn. We even had it from a lot of Argyle fans in regards to Hourihane. :roll:

Norburn's a class act. We badly missed him in the first half.

He gives as good as he gets, too. "Physically dominated"? He hardly got challenged.
 
Pasties and Cider":22nikrir said:
Fat_green_belly":22nikrir said:
as it is still a new team with new players and needs a certain amount of time for it
all to come together.

In no way having a go at FGB in particular but this new team thing is often quoted. Most teams at this time of year are in the same boat why should ours be more so?


I am 60 now and seen over the years too many argyle teams "turn a corner" regarding consistent
performances and results at the start of new seasons. After say between 10/20 games and we are
still not doing the business on a regular basis then doubts about the team and manager will
just naturally take over. Just like the end of last season. For me(only saw the last 7/8 home
games mind) we were way too inconsistent in those games.
Sheridan has replaced 3 of the back 4 and has 3 new CMs this season to combat this. So for me,
i have learnt through experience to try and be patient early in seasons. Unless they are
consistently carp of course.
It is really hard though, i must admit, for example the stevenage performance and game really
p****d me off but i can remember games like that under ciderman until he built his team.
Same with waiters team 6 successive away defeats and then away they went. Warnock team took
a while to get going. Luggy the win at rushden and the season turned and major success followed.
More often it will go the other way but we must still give them a certain amount of time.
 
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What surprised me was the fact there were only 7 more people at the game than at the Stevenage game. A really poor crowd for a big game. The atmosphere was also poor, silence when we were winning. Also, I think more people flood out the exits early when we are winning than when we are losing :roll: :lol:

There's my customary minor after match rant. A solid win & hopefully a good boost.
 
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Deacster":31dlfpyg said:
Agree with much of what you say as usual Sam but I think you're way off the mark with Norburn. Strikes me as soneone who really wants to and can dominate the midfield and is a good size for a midfielder, haven't seen him out muscled at all far from it.
It's such a common thing to say about a midfielder who relies on technical ability more than brawn. We even had it from a lot of Argyle fans in regards to Hourihane. :roll:

Norburn's a class act. We badly missed him in the first half.

He gives as good as he gets, too. "Physically dominated"? He hardly got challenged.
Some people may say it about all technical midfielders but that's a generalisation. Young suffered more as a result of his slight build and frame but I think it was overstated how 'outmuscled' he was as he made every inch of himself count through good pressing and perseverance. Norburn has a more advantageous frame naturally but doesn't seem to have the same amount of guile to make the most of his natural bodily attributes. I never said it about Hourihane in any way.
 

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Cobi Budge.":1xgznxsf said:
What surprised me was the fact there were only 7 more people at the game than at the Stevenage game. A really poor crowd for a big game. The atmosphere was also poor, silence when we were winning. Also, I think more people flood out the exits early when we are winning than when we are losing :roll: :lol:

There's my customary minor after match rant. A solid win & hopefully a good boost.
The 'Alexander' bashers at the back of the Devonport certainly moved fast enough once the board when up for those 4 additional minutes. :lol:
As an aside, our membership cards were not scanned yet again this season.
Is there a big problem with the Ticketmaster ticket entry system?
Our cards were visually 'scanned' and the turnstiles clicked.
I'm guessing it's these clicks that are counted for the attendance figures?
 
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It won't rival Sam's but my write up -

If I'm perfectly honest with you, I forgot we had a game, I went out on Friday night, woke up on Saturday morning & actually considered not going when I remembered, such was my interest after travelling to Bury last week, that coupled with my head feeling like it was about to explode :oops: but, I have only missed 1 home game in 7 season's now (I was overseas) so I wasn't going to let that be 2 & pulled myself up to home park, pretty unexcited & unexpectant.

Upon seeing the line up, I was surprised, but not as disappointed as many seemed to be, my main concern was 2 sitting CM's, but Morgan upfront didn't bother me at all, and I said to my mate that this is Morgan's chance to prove a point and throw some hypothetical eggs at those who dished him abuse.

I knew what a Phil Brown side would play like & I thought we would be better prepared than we were for Stevenage, and we were, the orange man in the away dugout seemed a bit bemused at what was going wrong throughout the game, further evidence that Brown is quite a poor, overrated manager.

We were at them from the off, Morgan dinked the ball over the Southend RB but was blocked off very cearly, soon after, he beat 2 men as he approached the barn park by line and he cut a very inviting ball back across to Reuben Reid, unfortunately, Reid was neither quick or alert enough to connect, which was the story of his first half. Soon after, Morgan was at it again, outwitting Bolger & forcing a foul, and Bolger's first card. Morgan was being pretty much assaulted every time he went near the ball, yet still causing mahem, the ref wimped out on card's on two further occasions, before he finally dismissed Bolger for another foul on Morgan, the sending off was completely fair despite how early in the game it was, he should have walked after 10 minutes.

Argyle continued to create for a short period after the sending off, Banton impressed me in the first half anyway, he was shooting/crossing much earlier, something I've been crying out for him to do, unfortunately, the crossing from Lewi & Banton was very poor, the set pieces no better. Another pivotal moment in the game came when Southend thought they should have been awarded a penalty, the ref put whistle to mouth and begun to point to the spot, but the linesman shook his head, to which the ref responded with a thumbs up, good communication between the officials, my view was that the Southend player miskicked the ball forcing him to go down under minimal pressure. In the last minute of time added on, the best chance of the game arrived, a fantastic ball in from McHugh was met by Reid, but his header went wide when he needed to do better.

One moment which annoyed me in the first half was when Weston had a pass back to play to Luke McCormick after a drop ball, but he clearly decided to shoot from about 30 yards, luckily McCormick caught it just underneath the crossbar as I have to wonder whether Brown would have let us score afterward.

Forgive me I forget the name of the HT 50/50 guest, but while most guests are usually diplomatic and say there are positives, he laid in to the team a bit and said what we were all thinking "who is the side with 10 men? it looks like us", he got a big round of applause for saying it.

The first half wasn't as bad as made out to be, but it wasn't great. While Southend dominated possession, we still looked threatening going forward. Our best player in the first period was Marvin Morgan, our worse Kelvin Mellor. But the HT guest was correct, you could never tell we had a man advantage.

I actually thought our worst period in the match was the period leading up to the goal, the 7 minutes from 45-52 were extremely frustrating, our tempo was slow, we didn't know how to get forward, we dominated possession but our passing was backwards and sideways. It took a move that wouldn't have looked out of place at the world cup to lift home park, Alessandra laid it off to Mellor (I said at HT Mellor is worse on the ball than Soukouna, he was in the first half, somehow in the second, he was excellent on it), he left two defenders for dead, gave it back to Lewi for a neat finish, 1 0, a sigh of relief around home park.

The next piece of play saw Alessandra chip a delightful ball in to the box, but Carl McHugh's powerful & accurate header was brilliantly saved by Bentley (who I understand is being scouted by championship & top flight clubs). Southend still had a fair bit of possession, but they were struggling to pick out a ball, their best chance, well, of the entire match fell to Southend substitute Coulthirst, he controlled excellently on the edge of the box, but his powerful strike was straight at Luke McCormick, who saved safely.

Argyle soon sealed victory with another great move. Kelvin Mellor & Alessandra once again linking well, Lewi showed strength to beat the left back before sending in an inviting cross to Reid, it was an ok header but I thought Bentley could have got a hand to it personally, anyway, 5 goals so far for Reid, can't complain. The action wasn't quite over, Nathan Thomas produced a mazy run from the left before firing a powerful shot which was well saved by Bentley.

At full time, no joyess ecstatic scenes but certainly a sense of satisfaction as the players applauded the supporters.

In goal, Luke was solid as ever, we have a very good goalkeeper. A quick point. When people say "he didn't have anything to do", couldn't that often be down to the fact his communication is excellent therefore limiting chances for the opposition? His distribution is also much better and quicker this season. He was great last season but he's improved even more so.

At the back. Kelvin Mellor had a mare of a first half (probably a 3/10), but in the second, he was our best player (9/10), his footwork improved, he got forward more, was involved in both goals, really excellent from Kelvin in the 2nd period. Hartley & Nelson were both fairly solid, on a couple of occasions they needed to close down quicker but I had no problems with how they were playing. I think some ratings on here have been harsh toward Carl McHugh, who I think, despite not being a left back, had his best game in a Green shirt, solid, confident & assured, I have a lot of respect for McHugh, it would be easy for him to become demoralised but he gives his performances everything.

I worried before the game about having two sitting CM's, it was an issue in the first half when both were sitting on the halfway line. Sheridan clearly told Cox to get forward more at half time, and it certainly helped. Both Cox and O'Connor are very good CM's, I like Norburn, but I prefer Cox & O'Connor, many seem to think we are weak in midfield, I disagree.

Going forward, a mixed bag at times. Marvin Morgan had a point to prove and he did so, he worked extremely hard, Southend couldn't handle him, he looked much better on the deck & he deserved his standing ovation. Alessandra would have actually been my 5th choice for MOTM so was a tad surprised when he got it, I thought he was poor-average in the first half, but much improved in the second period, possibly our 2nd best in that half. Banton, hmm, a decent first half, but he seemed to let cockyness creep in & he started taking a ridiculous amount of touches in the second period, frustrating, good player to have but not essential by any means. Despite scoring, I don't think Reid was excellent, he looked a bit off the pace to me, especially in the first half.

As for the subs. Norburn came on & did well, he's a tidy player, but as I say, I prefer the CM's we started with. Tyler Harvey was out-muscled too easily when he was on. Nathan Thomas was only on for a brief time but looked effective.

I'm happy to give Sheridan credit after that game. He definately changed some little things at half time, he got Mellor going forward more, Cox was improved after the team talk, Alessandra was pushed further forward while O'Connor was placed just ahead of the CB's where he's best, Banton was moved further inside to keep Clifford out of it. Also, I've criticised Sheridan a lot of late for showing little passion (I know it's not that important but football is nothing without emotion) but yesterday was the most passionate I've seen him, I could hear him shouting from the Devonport & I'm honestly shocked he wasn't sent to the stands after Bolger's second challenge on Morgan wasn't given as a FK, he went mental at the fourth official and was given a warning. Credit to Shez.

As for Southend. I don't like how they play, but unlike Stevenage, they will do well this season in my view, not due to management, but they have a good team, Corr looked pretty toothless upfront for a striker of his size though. Their best players included 2 ex pilgrims, Clifford, Leonard & Bentley are all to good for this league.

I can't really say I enjoyed the game but I enjoyed the result if that makes sense, it was a solid professional display but we can still do better.

My ratings:

McCormick - 7
Mellor - 6
Hartley - 7
Nelson - 7
McHugh - 7
O'Connor - 8
Cox - 7
Banton - 6
Alessandra - 7
Reid - 6
Morgan - 8

Norburn - 7
Harvey - 4
Thomas - NA but effective.

Onwards to Luton.
 
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LG":2uf51qdm said:
Cobi Budge.":2uf51qdm said:
What surprised me was the fact there were only 7 more people at the game than at the Stevenage game. A really poor crowd for a big game. The atmosphere was also poor, silence when we were winning. Also, I think more people flood out the exits early when we are winning than when we are losing :roll: :lol:

There's my customary minor after match rant. A solid win & hopefully a good boost.
The 'Alexander' bashers at the back of the Devonport certainly moved fast enough once the board when up for those 4 additional minutes. :lol:
As an aside, our membership cards were not scanned yet again this season.
Is there a big problem with the Ticketmaster ticket entry system?
Our cards were visually 'scanned' and the turnstiles clicked.
I'm guessing it's these clicks that are counted for the attendance figures?
My card was scanned last game but not yesterday.
Does it depend on which turnstile we use?
 
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Old Gunner":8bw3svfv said:
Agree with Graham Clark--good support for Mellor from the Lyndy in appreciation of his second half performance--also a real ripple of approval when the crowd picked up JS laying into the players for about 20 seconds--crowds like passion and Mellor and JS both, in very different ways, showed this yesterday. I would also say that the atmosphere in the Lyndhurst was the most positive i have experienced (granted this is only my 4th season), but I didn't pick up any of the negativity that has often poisoned the occasion. I hope it lasts.

Glad to here that. Have always felt when I have popped back that the crowd are a negative influence on our performances. I know, 5 years of sh*te, I pays my money and all that but it has become a rot that it is difficult to get out of. Hopefully we can make Home Park the fortress it used to be, although we will miss the Mayflower.

Looking forward to seeing us play for the first time this season next week. :scarf:
 

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Worryingly unconvincing win against 10 men. Concerning lack of urgency after Southend went down to ten. Took Sheridan a bafflingly long time to work out that we didn't need both Cox and O'Connor in central midfield after Southend went down to 10, especially with both on bookings and Southend trying to even things up by flopping to the floor at every opportunity and Dale Winton on the touchline in the ref's ear every 20 seconds.
Banton...abysmal out wide again, marginally better central - will injure himself badly before too long with his half-assed 'tackles'. Thomas came on for his usual cameo and managed to crack a shot on target (one more than Banton) and make a really good tackle (one more than Banton) in 5 or so minutes.
Mellor - demonstrated the effectiveness of a specialist, marauding full back...take note Sheridan.
Morgan - improved, a handful, workrate was praiseworthy but I fear we may be waiting some time to see what his goal celebration looks like (is that one goal so far at HP in his Argyle career? the penalty against Orient?)
Hartley and Nelson, another solid, assured performance - best centre-back partnership in the division?
Referee - abject, contrary to the thread...bottled the decision to send the Southend player off and was forced into the decision minutes later only by that players own stupidity. Gave Southend every 50/50 after half time - including missing a stonewall Argyle penalty - presumably trying to even things up after Dale had had a word on his way off at half-time.
 
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Took Sheridan a bafflingly long time to work out that we didn't need both Cox and O'Connor in central midfield after Southend went down to 10, especially with both on bookings and Southend trying to even things up by flopping to the floor at every opportunity and Dale Winton on the touchline in the ref's ear every 20 seconds.
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I could see from block 12 that Norburn was coming on (he had his shirt on all bibs etc. off and the 4th offical was holding his board) then Alessandra scored (52) Norburn was told to sit down and then came on in the 70th mins. So if Alessandra didn't score we would of seen him come on 18 mins earlier.