Argyle-sy":2a8vc8u7 said:Guiri Green":2a8vc8u7 said:Argyle-sy":2a8vc8u7 said:Isondil":2a8vc8u7 said:I love the "non-smokers don't have a clue" approach. In all the posts Mark has quoted with a rebuttal he essentially cites "they cater for this addiction, so they should cater for mine" logic. Quoting , alcohol, chocolate (at overinflated compared to high st prices) and the fact the club once allowed gambling but no longer do as reasons you should be allowed to smoke...
Secondhand (passive) smoke unlike the other examples stated above do more than just offend people. It affects everyone else's health. Your passive smoke, after you exhale, still contains approximately 4000 chemicals, 250 are disease causing, 100 of which are toxic and a further 70 are cancerous. This affects children and pregnant ladies worse than adults, in the main. But in adults your secondhand smoke can cause stroke, cancer or heart disease. Yes, if people choose to smoke they can contribute to illness in others. In children it can be ear infections, in pregnancy your second hand smoke has been medically proven to cause SIDS.
Make no joke, passive smoking has a severe affect on the lives of other people, not just that I / we don't like it. Do I like being addicted to chocolate? No, chocolate contains the same chemical that alters the brain as cannabis. Does me eating a chocolate bar or two at half time have the same secondary health affects as smoking? No, my chocolate addiction will not send someone to the GP the next day.
I'm all for smokers being able to run the risks of premature death or illness, that is your choice but when you're addiction has the ability to inflict illness and in the very extreme premature death on others that do not smoke, I'm glad the club (though they are not saying it) say 'public health comes first'.
As has been indicted, smokers are catered for at HP via allowing smoking at the Fanfest. It just so happens to be a personal choice not to take the utility of that provision. Though, clemency should be offered to people with disabilities as I'm all to aware of how an undue long walk can have secondary or tertiary implications a day or two later.
Isondel, it is a matter of fact that non smokers really don't have a clue, and I am not meaning that in a nasty way. Many experts and many studies state that Nicotene is as addictive as Heroin, so no, I fail to see howe someone that has never smoked could have any idea as to the levels of physical and mental addiction that Nicotene causes people, so the whole "they can go 2 hours without a cigarette for 2 hours, surely it can't be that hard" approach is ridiculous. You need to remember that the tobacco companies deliberately make it addictive because that drives up their profits, after all what use would it be to them if it really was as easy as "just go without, it isn't that hard".
You'd have been jiggered at my last work place then. No smoking during working hours - anywhere. No smoking shelters, no little outdoor ashtrays. Addiction or not, unlucky, get over it. There was an understanding of addiction, it came in the form of free assistance in giving up. Blaming tobacco conpanies for making an addictive substance into an addictive substance is a poor excuse for not smoking for a couple of hours. Try a nictotine patch.
I would have jiggered indeed, however my last few jobs my bosses have all been smokers as well and you were allowed to smoke on the premisses. Try a Nicotene patch ? lol, it really is amazing how clueless people like you are. Blaming the companies for making Nicotene more addictive, why do you think they put all those even more addictive chemicals in tailor made cigarettes and hand rolling tobacco, doesn't take a genius to work it out so you clearly aren't a genius.
I'm no genius but have the intelligence to have not smoked since 1985, when cigarettes were so much cheaper than now, and in my case , Duty Free.
I was surrounded by booze and cheap smokes, but I never blamed everyone else for me partaking, nor did I feel hard done by when the situation prevented me from accessing either for however long was required.