Thoughts on Ian Foster

[the corkscrew]

How on earth can you say Foster had a negative influence on todays game, when there are many who said Argyle played decently? Oh wait there, it’s just because we didn’t win.

Do you realise what would happen if they sacked Foster? The whole ethos of the club is out of the window. Argyle are being built to be a different acting club. To give coaches the chance to shine, make mistakes & hopeful develop under the Argyle umbrella. You sack Foster, what on earth you saying to other candidate’s. Sure, move your family down here & we will commit to you for at least 3 months. However, at the first sign of trouble, with parts of the fanbase panicking, we will ditch you.

What a plan that would be.

There is only one poll you need. Do you think Simon Hallett will abandon his belief & starting sacking managers like other raving, nutcases as owners? If you ask yourself that question, it doesn’t matter if you, me or anyone believes Foster is the right man. He is here for the foreseeable future because it’s the model of how the club want to be run.

You think this is based on today and not the past 3 months ??
It is regrettable that we've made a big mistake with Foster (you may not agree but it seems a majority do).
But ignoring the mistake isn't the answer. Are we really going to carry on this charade just because it would make us look bad by fronting up to what's happened? Damage our 'ethos'
Sad all round, but step 1 is undoubtedly removing him, trying to stay up, re-grouping after

 

[MGM]

But this is still a business, and Hallett being a business man surely doesn't want to lose the millions a place in the championship will cost him/us?
Foster has won what 3 of 14 or whatever games?
If that makes you think he will succeed then I am afraid you are pretty damn blind.
We will all support the players but the manager/head coach whatever you want to call him isn't the right man for the job.

It’s not just about relegation. It’s about the model they built.

If it’s not Foster, it’s another fresh-faced inexperienced manager with great coaching skills.

I’m not saying Foster will succeed, lm just saying they won’t sack him. If Argyle sack him they destroy the structure they built in place that is supposedly allowing time for these young coaches to make mistakes.

Only next season, will we actually know how good or bad Foster is. Do l like he blames officials a lot? No. Would l wish he was more proactive with his substitutions? Yes. Yet l can’t just give up supporting someone because in a very difficult league he is struggling after 3 months of being here. If he had been here for over a year, l understand the argument better.

It’s up-to you how to decide to support the club. However, don’t be surprised if the club you support chooses to back him beyond this season.

 

[MGM]

You think this is based on today and not the past 3 months ??
It is regrettable that we've made a big mistake with Foster (you may not agree but it seems a majority do).
But ignoring the mistake isn't the answer. Are we really going to carry on this charade just because it would make us look bad by fronting up to what's happened? Damage our 'ethos'
Sad all round, but step 1 is undoubtedly removing him, trying to stay up, re-grouping after

Basically yes, by all means if he gets sacked in a few weeks tell me l was wrong. Yet all the messages that come out of the club aren’t ones where they will be persuaded by a vocal section of Argyle fans.

 

[the corkscrew]

It’s not just about relegation. It’s about the model they built.

If it’s not Foster, it’s another fresh-faced inexperienced manager with great coaching skills.

I’m not saying Foster will succeed, lm just saying they won’t sack him. If Argyle sack him they destroy the structure they built in place that is supposedly allowing time for these young coaches to make mistakes.

Only next season, will we actually know how good or bad Foster is. Do l like he blames officials a lot? No. Would l wish he was more proactive with his substitutions? Yes. Yet l can’t just give up supporting someone because in a very difficult league he is struggling after 3 months of being here. If he had been here for over a year, l understand the argument better.

It’s up-to you how to decide to support the club. However, don’t be surprised if the club you support chooses to back him beyond this season.

If this is true. The club back him. Not going to sack him. Long term appointment. Stable club etc etc.
Why not 1 single word from them in public to that effect?

 

[Pifom]

Maybe he's got a better idea of what's realistically achievable with a small budget, but no way that's not still a long term commitment.

If that's the case that's absolutely fine, probably not wise to say things like that to fans and then employ someone who does the opposite in all honesty though.

 

[Lancastergreen]

It’s not just about relegation. It’s about the model they built.

If it’s not Foster, it’s another fresh-faced inexperienced manager with great coaching skills.

I’m not saying Foster will succeed, lm just saying they won’t sack him. If Argyle sack him they destroy the structure they built in place that is supposedly allowing time for these young coaches to make mistakes.

Only next season, will we actually know how good or bad Foster is. Do l like he blames officials a lot? No. Would l wish he was more proactive with his substitutions? Yes. Yet l can’t just give up supporting someone because in a very difficult league he is struggling after 3 months of being here. If he had been here for over a year, l understand the argument better.

It’s up-to you how to decide to support the club. However, don’t be surprised if the club you support chooses to back him beyond this season.

I wont be surprised because it looks pretty clear that even if he loses every match from now through to the season end they will stick with him, I appreciate what Argyle are trying to do with coaches/managers but sometimes things are very obvious.
He has no plan B, its Lowe all over again, stick to one formation and hope eventually you get a win, he doesn't trust the players that got us here in the first place to go out and showcase what they can do, they might not be great at defending and leak goals but they can hurt any team in this league if you let them.
Sitting back and being a counter attacking team for the last 3 or so months through to the seasons end is only going to cost the club millions, from a business view that has to surely be bad business?

 

[MGM]

If this is true. The club back him. Not going to sack him. Long term appointment. Stable club etc etc.
Why not 1 single word from them in public to that effect?

Why add fuel to the fire of some panicking fans.

Can you imagine what people will say. Oh look, they given him a vote of confidence. You know what’s next.

In an interview Foster said he talks to Simon Hallett & board members regularly. I’m very much sure that’s where his support is.

Why send out a message to a certain group of Argyle fans who already decided he isn’t good enough? That just adds more toxicity to a situation that’s toxic enough.

 

[MGM]

I wont be surprised because it looks pretty clear that even if he loses every match from now through to the season end they will stick with him, I appreciate what Argyle are trying to do with coaches/managers but sometimes things are very obvious.
He has no plan B, its Lowe all over again, stick to one formation and hope eventually you get a win, he doesn't trust the players that got us here in the first place to go out and showcase what they can do, they might not be great at defending and leak goals but they can hurt any team in this league if you let them.
Sitting back and being a counter attacking team for the last 3 or so months through to the seasons end is only going to cost the club millions, from a business view that has to surely be bad business?

Maybe, at the moment he is struggling.

Who knows how this season will finish. I haven‘t given hope up yet.

Sometimes you have to take a step back, fix things that didn’t work & start again. Unfortunately, that isn’t great for the short term but in long term l think Simon Hallett has his head screwed on. So that’s the vision l wish to support.

 

[the corkscrew]

Why add fuel to the fire of some panicking fans.

Can you imagine what people will say. Oh look, they given him a vote of confidence. You know what’s next.

In an interview Foster said he talks to Simon Hallett & board members regularly. I’m very much sure that’s where his support is.

Why send out a message to a certain group of Argyle fans who already decided he isn’t good enough? That just adds more toxicity to a situation that’s toxic enough.

Doesn't make sense. Definitely feels like they have decided to sack him if we carry on losing, and don't want to back him publicly in case that happens.

 

[MGM]

Doesn't make sense. Definitely feels like they have decided to sack him if we carry on losing, and don't want to back him publicly in case that happens.

So if we lost on Monday you think he shall be sacked? If not, when?

 

[Jon with no H]

If this is true. The club back him. Not going to sack him. Long term appointment. Stable club etc etc.
Why not 1 single word from them in public to that effect?

What are they supposed to say that they didn't say 86 days ago when he was appointed? As MGM says, a vote of confidence is not going to placate anyone.

 

[Balham Green]

As many times as I see fit

Fair enough if you have nothing better to do with your time. At least you appear to admit you are misguided.

 

[jimsing]

As many times as I see fit

Just opinions.

You can give your opinion as often as you like, but at the end of the day it is only the opinion of one person. It has no more validity over the views of any other.

You cannot speak for others but you try to influence others by continually giving your opinion, hoping that others will follow, and no doubt some easily led will follow, and others may put forward alternative views, or will keep their views to themselves.

It would be nice for you to acknowledge that others have a different viewpoint from your own, and that alternative viewpoints are just as viable as your own.

You become boring continually putting forward your views which try to enhance your agenda, but you do not really understand the point of discussion and so your views are usually ignored by the majority on here, except for a few that put forward alternate views in order that the thread does not become stale and one sided and boring.

You have your opinions, everyone else has theirs and it doesn't appear that either side of the argument will get the better of the other.

Debate by all means but saying the same thing over and over and over again becomes tedious and turns people off that particular viewpoint especially when it is spread over several threads, rather than sticking to the one..

 

[the corkscrew]

So if we lost on Monday you think he shall be sacked? If not, when?

I think it would be fair to give him 3 games, Norwich, Bristol, Rotherham, and ask for 2 or 3 points. Anything less triggers it.
By the way, there are ways of doing things. The board doesn't have to issue a vote of confidence if they don't want to (even though clubs still do that, see Preston). But you can do a bit of PR. An interview. Some positive video spin. We've had a 2 week break and nothing. No statement, no PR, nada. Either waiting to sack him, or everyone caught in the headlights.

 

[MGM]

What are they supposed to say that they didn't say 86 days ago when he was appointed? As MGM says, a vote of confidence is not going to placate anyone.

Just adds more to a story. A non-story if they have no intention of sacking him.

It’s like people haven’t been listening to what our model is. That they still think like other clubs fans where these owners do sack managers after 3 months.

I know Millwall results have improved, but appointing Neil Harris is a short term fix. They got in a young, inexperienced but talented coach & lost the power of their convictions.