Is it just me that thinks a certain poster on this topic is showing a touch of the Victor Meldrews and is probably a member of the Flat Earth Society

You're assuming that it was only Argyle and Ipswich who were in for him. Those were the two clubs we know for a fact he visited, but that doesn't mean there weren't others who he didn't bother with because he wasn't interested.

He visited Argyle because half of his former teammates and management were signing for us. He visited Ipswich because they're a big club. Who knows how many others he turned down because they didn't appeal?

You seem to be basing your argument that Mayor is over-rated on a lack of interest in him when he signed for us. If you can present evidence that it was definitely only Argyle and Ipswich who were in for him then fine, but until then this argument doesn't hold any water.

Yes Oldage clearly has inside knowledge on the shopping list of every other League 1 club. Wonder where he gets that from. To suggest only 1 other team would be interested is obviously nonsense. Unusual for Oldage.

How is it obviously nonsense. Prove it?

[quote="graygreen"]Is it just me that thinks a certain poster on this topic is showing a touch of the Victor Meldrews and is probably a member of the Flat Earth Society [/q
If you are referring to me it won't be the first time I have been criticised and it will not be the last. I speak as I see it and will continue to do so.

Always makes me laugh when people ask why clubs aren't 'queuing up' to sign a particular player.

Where is this mythical queue and how do we see what clubs are in it?

To the best of my knowledge no other teams have made a move for him and there have not been any rumours to that affect. If you know differently perhaps you would like to share the info with us?

Maybe it's because no transfers can take place until January at the earliest.

There were plenty of opportunities to sign him last season and before this season started.

It was well documented that he chose to sign for us over Ipswich, who are bar Sunderland, the biggest club in the lower leagues. Since then he’s been under contract and the only transfer window where someone may have considered buying him was riddled by COVID-19.

Sorry don't buy this. If he is as good as some make out he would have been at the top of most lower league club's lists not just one.

Since you seem 'in the know', how many clubs tabled big money offers for Carey whilst he was under contract with Argyle. My stats say zero. Probably a big queue though right?

We could easily have missed out on promotion because we were far from convincing and it was just as well the season finished when it did. Mayor has done little to date to suggest he is better than Carey or Lameiras. He has only played 11 times in league one and who knows he could still be part of a relegation team .Nobody has yet answered a question I have raised before ,if Mayor is so good why aren't other clubs queuing up to sign him? He is a good player and RL has the potential to be a great manager but it is far too early to go overboard on their achievements to date.

I'd agree with that.

Mayor is a good player but there is a reason has spent most of his career in Leagues One and Two. Argyle have previously had better players in that position and not just Graham Carey.

As for Lowe, I like him but he is still relatively unproven. He has managed two well funded teams out of the basement division.

So whilst both are good, I wouldn't get too caried away.

We could easily have missed out on promotion because we were far from convincing and it was just as well the season finished when it did. Mayor has done little to date to suggest he is better than Carey or Lameiras. He has only played 11 times in league one and who knows he could still be part of a relegation team .Nobody has yet answered a question I have raised before ,if Mayor is so good why aren't other clubs queuing up to sign him? He is a good player and RL has the potential to be a great manager but it is far too early to go overboard on their achievements to date.

I'd agree with that.

Mayor is a good player but there is a reason has spent most of his career in Leagues One and Two. Argyle have previously had better players in that position and not just Graham Carey.

As for Lowe, I like him but he is still relatively unproven. He has managed two well funded teams out of the basement division.

So whilst both are good, I wouldn't get too caried away.

Hang on. Mayor can't be all that good because he's played most of his career in lg 1 & 2 but Carey was better having only played in leagues 1 & 2?
Out of the two only one has been signed by a championship club. Danny Mayor played over 30 games for Preston in the championship and a smattering for Sheffield Wednesday. I'll wait for the stat of how many championship games Carey has played.

Mayor has played the majority of his football in the bottom divisions. He didn't thrive in the Championship.
Anyhow, some Championship appearances years ago doesn't automatically make him better than Carey does it ?

We could easily have missed out on promotion because we were far from convincing and it was just as well the season finished when it did. Mayor has done little to date to suggest he is better than Carey or Lameiras. He has only played 11 times in league one and who knows he could still be part of a relegation team .Nobody has yet answered a question I have raised before ,if Mayor is so good why aren't other clubs queuing up to sign him? He is a good player and RL has the potential to be a great manager but it is far too early to go overboard on their achievements to date.

I'd agree with that.

Mayor is a good player but there is a reason has spent most of his career in Leagues One and Two. Argyle have previously had better players in that position and not just Graham Carey.

As for Lowe, I like him but he is still relatively unproven. He has managed two well funded teams out of the basement division.

So whilst both are good, I wouldn't get too caried away.

Hang on. Mayor can't be all that good because he's played most of his career in lg 1 & 2 but Carey was better having only played in leagues 1 & 2?
Out of the two only one has been signed by a championship club. Danny Mayor played over 30 games for Preston in the championship and a smattering for Sheffield Wednesday. I'll wait for the stat of how many championship games Carey has played.

Caried away, I see what you did there.

Tin hat on.

For me Danny Mayor is every bit as good as Carey and Lameiras were. But those two delivered some amazing (and important) individual goals which Danny's lacked so far. Therein lies the rub - plenty of Argyle fans only look at goals scored to see a player's value. However his input to the whole game and the system we play is seriously impressive. He draws defenders away for others to make runs and whilst he's not always the immediate assist, a lot of what he does ends up creating a chance somewhere down the line. And it's so exciting seeing players play for your team who can take on and beat men with a bit of trickery. But if he had 15 goals a season to go with that, he most definitely would not be playing for us in League 1.

As for Lowe, in 35 of years of being a fan, he's probably my favourite manager. Sturrock got the results first time round but we were largely ugly to watch and his off field demeanour wasn't as captivating. Lovely guy but the way Lowe interacts with our fans and media together with the football he gets us to play is what sets him apart for me. Not to mention his network of contacts is impressive for a young manager. He's destined for bigger and better - whether the club can move forward at the same pace remains to be seen but I hope we all succed in his vision together.

Wow nail and head. I don't need to say much more

The only thing I disagree with and I will get pelted with rocks is that Olly was my favourite period since I started watching 40 odd years ago. At one point we were pushing the play offs in the championship with some brilliant football.

Over the moon with RL, DM and Byron Moore

As an aside I really hope Bury FC comes out of this in some guise. Look at Wimbledon or even Stanley

Tin hat on.

For me Danny Mayor is every bit as good as Carey and Lameiras were. But those two delivered some amazing (and important) individual goals which Danny's lacked so far. Therein lies the rub - plenty of Argyle fans only look at goals scored to see a player's value. However his input to the whole game and the system we play is seriously impressive. He draws defenders away for others to make runs and whilst he's not always the immediate assist, a lot of what he does ends up creating a chance somewhere down the line. And it's so exciting seeing players play for your team who can take on and beat men with a bit of trickery. But if he had 15 goals a season to go with that, he most definitely would not be playing for us in League 1.

As for Lowe, in 35 of years of being a fan, he's probably my favourite manager. Sturrock got the results first time round but we were largely ugly to watch and his off field demeanour wasn't as captivating. Lovely guy but the way Lowe interacts with our fans and media together with the football he gets us to play is what sets him apart for me. Not to mention his network of contacts is impressive for a young manager. He's destined for bigger and better - whether the club can move forward at the same pace remains to be seen but I hope we all succed in his vision together.

Surely all managers have a network of contacts, most have been in football for most of their working lives and all managers pre covid would go on courses and events organised by the LMA and network with other managers and coaches etc. at them.

I always find it strange when people say Mayor is the man linking up the play before providing the ball to the actual assister of the goal etc.

They choose to completely ignore the fact that since Mayor has been at Argyle he has been in countless advanced positions inside the box approaching from wide - but consistently fails to deliver. You would think that Mayor doesn't cross the halfway line the way some folk on here try to go on about his style. Since he's been at Argyle, he is always in and around the box, doing his trademark weaving in from the wide position into the box and often onto the edge of the 6 yard box (in addition to driving from deep), but he just fails to produce anything from it all. I get bored watching him do the same thing over and over again. He doesn't appear good enough to actually beat a defender and then score a goal or do anything of note. The better the defender he comes up against, he struggles to even beat them.

Mayor is wonderful to watch but so is Hatem Ben Arfa, and he's at Bordeaux when he should really have been at Barcelona. Granted he should be playing in the team, but the hype from some is ridiculous and I do think for a number of reasons it would be beneficial to occasionally drop him.

Another thing I've noticed are fans on here saying that people are suggesting that because he doesn't deliver goals/assists, it makes him a poor player. I don't think anyone has directly said that . However, you expect an attacking midfielder who has been billed as the main man to produce the goods - and he doesn't. I don't think there are many attacking midfield players out there who arrive with his kind of profile to a club, and deliver next to nothing in terms of numbers. That's what attacking midfield players are judged on.

Noone is saying he is a poor player because of his lack of end product, just that he's not anywhere near as good as made out to be, and quite honestly for what he produces, he's very lucky to be in the undroppable situation he finds himself in with Lowe. I can't help but think that fans cut him extra slack because what he does is a bit more exciting than a midfielder passing sideways for 90 minutes, or a defender passing square and back for 90 minutes. What I mean by that is he spends so much time in the game, twisting in and out with the ball but achieving nothing, dribbling around and actually often getting nowhere, or trying to beat a man but finding himself cornered with 2 defenders now cornering him etc etc

If he was at a club with better resources in this league, think the likes of Peterborough, Sunderland, Charlton etc I think he would struggle to be a regular week in week out. Don't underestimate the quality of players they have in their ranks. Think players like Toney, Maddison, Jonny Williams, Will Grigg, Aiden McGeady etc etc Heck, I don't think MacFadzean has even had a sniff at Sunderland yet (granted he had little pre-season of course). But still, I think people are hugely overestimating Mayor on the whole. He has a lovely touch and wonderful skill, but that's really about it. There's lots of players out there with that and more.

Good to see there are like minded fans out there.

Carey came to Argyle at a time when the fans had had to endure a lot of difficult seasons in the lowest division in the football league. He provided inspiration and skill to a team that was otherwise lacking in these qualities at times. He scored goals and would move around the pitch energetically trying to make a difference even when he wasn't having his best game. I can therefore see why his time at the club is so fondly remembered.

I would say that Mayor and Carey offer different skill-sets to their respective teams so it isn't necessarily easy to make a straight comparison of the two. What I can say is that I have seen both play key roles in winning tough games alongside their team-mates and have enjoyed watching both of them. I suspect that if both were at the club at the same time they would both be playing.