ok lads this is me correcting my original post ....................... mariner AND carver were on more then Sturrock and summers which is still hard to believe due to there lack of experience .............. i got the wrong end of the stick on saturday (blaming the beer ) and have been corrected by my source ............. again im sorry for any distress this might have caused :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: