Oh right sorry, don't really know anything about who or what 'they' are, was just puzzled why family of some random blogger was brought into this. Just looks like an innocuous blog site to me.
xmastree":28ognsbg said:RWW":28ognsbg said:We probably all agree that the completed ground won't be big enough so what is the solution?
Easy - fill it every week and make JB watch thousands of fans with £20 in their hands be locked out each week. The extra capacity will soon be forthcoming.
Daft comment. If that happened, and it's a big if, what you would see would be a rise in ticket prices.
There are people who won't go due the stand issue - a couple I paid for last season have taken this decision - but I imagine there won't be many.
Maybe in your alternative universe - things 'no worse than they were last year'? Really? :facepalm: I thnk I'll be the judge of my own situation thanks and I suspect there are many others like me who've seen their income and standard of living actually decrease over the past 12-24 months. Talk about 'I'm Alright Jack'. :roll:esmer":1jsbhz2c said:Things are no worse than they were this time last year, or for a number of years come to that. Throw in the fact that season tickets are far cheaper than they were last year the economic argument doesn't hold water.FordGreen":1jsbhz2c said:Utter, utter tosh - how about the recession, then? It's certainly buggered up any hope I had of being able to afford to go this season! :roll:esmer":1jsbhz2c said:I think you missed the word "if" in my post Ian. If season ticket sales and attendances are down there can only be one explanation.IJN":1jsbhz2c said:Bollox Richard, this lot allowed the loons to spout utter rubbish about me, and despite complaints about lies after lies.
Then I find out one of them is the BiL of one of the idiots on the other site.
Hidden agenda? I'm not sure it's that hidden if I'm honest.
I treat anything that lot say with contempt since then.
Yet more propaganda from people with 'politics' on their mind.
Be naive if you want, but don't expect everyone to take it at face value.
esmer":p3guq780 said:I don't think it is a case of a split (or fissure) it is a question of how many fans (if any) are disenchanted by the lack of ambition evidenced by the proposed capacity of the ground to the extent they will not renew their season ticket. Time will tell.X Isle":p3guq780 said:esmer":p3guq780 said:It is a football related matter if it has a negative effect on season ticket sales, and attendances generally, which will impact on our playing budget.X Isle":p3guq780 said:Yes it does Chris, it has no place in his article.
When did the building of a stand 15-18 months in the future ever have anything to do with the prospects of 11 men on a football pitch over a season?
To give 50% over to negative minority propaganda makes it utter guff as a meaningful article to be taken seriously.
But it won't effect ST sales, it won't effect general attendance so it won't effect the playing budget. Ergo it has no place on a 2013-2014 pre-season summary.
It's agenda-mongering guff masquerading as an honest appraisal of our club. It's not objective, it's pedalling a falsehood by massively overstating a 'split' exists on this. It's more like the "fissure" (not) between a boulder and the slope of Everest on which it sits.
X Isle":3k3kwbtk said:Was all going very well until the grandstand got mentioned, absolutely F**K all to do with next season.
"fissures in the fanbase"?, is there F**K, just a small minority of size obsessive fantasists :facepalm:
To have a pre season review that spends half it's column inches giving air to a minority soapbox over a non-football related matter that won't even open this season is just bollox. Clearly the author is, or is acting as a mouthpiece for, a chippy 'anti'.
Whitewashes over our signings, our unbeaten pre-season and our feelings that a corner has been turned. Utter guff :thumbdown:
X Isle":34bbiopr said:Was all going very well until the grandstand got mentioned, absolutely F**K all to do with next season.
"fissures in the fanbase"?, is there F**K, just a small minority of size obsessive fantasists :facepalm:
To have a pre season review that spends half it's column inches giving air to a minority soapbox over a non-football related matter that won't even open this season is just bollox. Clearly the author is, or is acting as a mouthpiece for, a chippy 'anti'.
Whitewashes over our signings, our unbeaten pre-season and our feelings that a corner has been turned. Utter guff :thumbdown:
IJN":18dvdzpr said:I think some people might use the GS as an excuse not to attend, but other than that, it's laughable.
IJN":3b4670u5 said:I think some people might use the GS as an excuse not to attend, but other than that, it's laughable.
Year 1 was a reasonably comfortable fight against relegation; Year 2 under Pulis we finished in the bottom half playing awful football. In years 3 and 4 we managed to be average (finishing 10th and 12th if memory serves) and the last two years were dire in every sense. On the whole not exactly conducive to building the fan-base.IJN":5e5arqx2 said:Eh???
My memory must have gone then.
Were years 2 and 3 not good?
Loved the CCC, and always new it was a time to enjoy. At least I got that right.
X Isle said:I don't believe anyone is so stubborn and obtuse as to refuse to renew a season ticket because they feel there is a lack of ambition. In so doing they'd be depriving the club of funds and thus themselves limiting available investment.
If anyone stops their ST this season it'll be down to personal economic difficulties or shifting priorities in this unprecedented extended recession.
You can believe or not Smiffy, why should I lie about it? Again I emphasise they were not paying for their tickets - I was, because the recession had already put paid to their ability to do so.
I wouldn't not go because of this issue, but different people have different views. Saves me money though.
X Isle":7j1m0nfg said:IJN":7j1m0nfg said:I think some people might use the GS as an excuse not to attend, but other than that, it's laughable.
This.
The excuse pot got dangerously close to running dry under Hollowords for the 'ambition demanding', 'cart before the horse' non-attending whinge brigade. They need to store up as many excuses as possible in the larder for those 'rainy days' when Argyle are doing really well :roll:
They didn't come and thus the 'built the team and they will come' arguement was blown apart. So what possible confidence can anyone possibly invest in 'build the ground and they will come' line now?
Excuses, excuses excuses. Build me a huge ground and buy me a great team and I'll come Mr. Brent.......but not for long, I'll soon go away again and blame you when it goes wrong.
Well, pitch that on Dragon's Den and see how much investment you get :lol:
Plymouth will get what Plymouth deserves. Like Ian I too once believed we were a sleeping giant but we're not. We're actually narcoleptic, we might wake up occasionally but as quick as we do the excitement brings on the need for another nap.
X Isle":16jqsffk said:esmer":16jqsffk said:I don't think it is a case of a split (or fissure) it is a question of how many fans (if any) are disenchanted by the lack of ambition evidenced by the proposed capacity of the ground to the extent they will not renew their season ticket. Time will tell.X Isle":16jqsffk said:esmer":16jqsffk said:It is a football related matter if it has a negative effect on season ticket sales, and attendances generally, which will impact on our playing budget.X Isle":16jqsffk said:Yes it does Chris, it has no place in his article.
When did the building of a stand 15-18 months in the future ever have anything to do with the prospects of 11 men on a football pitch over a season?
To give 50% over to negative minority propaganda makes it utter guff as a meaningful article to be taken seriously.
But it won't effect ST sales, it won't effect general attendance so it won't effect the playing budget. Ergo it has no place on a 2013-2014 pre-season summary.
It's agenda-mongering guff masquerading as an honest appraisal of our club. It's not objective, it's pedalling a falsehood by massively overstating a 'split' exists on this. It's more like the "fissure" (not) between a boulder and the slope of Everest on which it sits.
I don't believe anyone is so stubborn and obtuse as to refuse to renew a season ticket because they feel there is a lack of ambition. In so doing they'd be depriving the club of funds and thus themselves limiting available investment.
If anyone stops their ST this season it'll be down to personal economic difficulties or shifting priorities in this unprecedented extended recession.
You don't pay to have watched the dross of these last few seasons only to flounce off on a minority non football preoccupation just as the results improve.
If you do then frankly disloyalty on such a fatuous whim is a trait Argyle would probably be better off without :wave: