The Grumpy Loyal":3elgde6e said:
Don't_Panic":3elgde6e said:
The Grumpy Loyal":3elgde6e said:
Biggs":3elgde6e said:
Don't_Panic":3elgde6e said:
Doesn’t matter what it is or how stupid, any ammo will do.
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Have I read that right? Grumps is criticising James Brent for publicly confirming he was trying to get the best possible deal for PAFC?
Ridiculous, though he’s entirely reasonable compared to the vitriol on other platforms.
Come on Biggsy, there were obviously bigger things afoot to delay things for months than James doing a bit of negotiating. But to suggest it was, for me, is laughable and embarrassingly small-time.
Can you imagine getting a quote for an extension on your house from a builder, then you spend the next few months desperately trying to haggle to price down? The builder is before long going to think " who is this joker".
That's where PAFC is at this moment in history though. More's the pity.
Just because you believe that, doesn’t make it so. To think that Argyle currently appear a joke?? Because the owner wanted to negotiate the best deal for us, whilst work has been currently going on??? I really don’t think anyone here will convince you otherwise & vice versus I’m sure, but you really need to be challenged when you come out with such hyperbole.
I don''t ever mind being challenged. Can you imaging how dull these boards would be if every single poster thought the sun shone out of Brents arse?
As I've said before though, everyone has different aspirations. The typical Janner mentality depresses me.
I'm not and never have been happy to just exist, which so many on here are - just happy to have a club to support. I want more. A city this size deserves more. So when I see what Brent brought to the table with his original plans, I'm alarmed. Nothing much he has done since has broke any mould, has it?
As I say, unlike many, I'm just not easily impressed.
I think this is where the problem lies.
Nearly all of the fanbase are more than happy that Brent prevented us from going out of existence.
Plymouth Argyle would have been no more.
Home Park would have been covered in cobwebs because the ground was in the hands of the Council and they could not have prevented the football club from going out of existence. No-one could prevent that from happening, except that a Mr James Brent, reluctantly, bought the Club (and all its huge debts) for £1. Can you imagine doing that yourself? Paying £1 in order that your club might survive, but having to pay the day to day running costs, the players wages, the staff wages, and on top of that taking on over £millions of football debt that had to be repaid to people who were owed it from previous years. No getting out of all that, I'm afraid.
Plymouth Argyle would have folded. No more football team (although I expect it would have started again at the lowest level); no more Home Park (although there were those that thought Albion may have been able to have taken over the rental, the rugby posts wouldn't have been a problem, the facility was already there!).
Maybe Plymouth Parkway would have then been the main football club to progress in Plymouth.
We are all aware what James Brent has done for this football club. It hasn't gone out of existence. Over time all debts have been paid, Home Park has returned to the Club's ownership, we didn't lose our football league status (some will say that was down to John Sheridan, and I would agree, but who put him in as manager?), we have progressed on and off the field of play every year on year since he has been at the helm, and although his original plans for a new grandstand were scuppered, he has brought Simon Hallett and his wife on board, who have provided the finance (at very favorable interest rates for the club) for the grandstand to be refurnished instead, with the provision of creating extra revenue for the Club in order that it can continue to progress forwards into the future.
Now I may be wrong, but how can anyone criticise what James Brent has done with the football club since he purchased it? Not all things have gone his way, and there have been alterations as he has gone along, and not everybody will have agreed with what he has done or how he has done it, not everyone ever does, but hey, could YOU have done any better? Could you have put your hand in your pocket, taken out a pound coin and say "I'll save this football club from going out of existence, I'll pay off all the football debt, I'll pay all the staff wages, I'll purchase the ground from the Council, I'll get a manager to stop us from going out of the football league, I'll even get us a manager that will get us promoted and I'll give him a 5 year contract when he does. I'll even find extra investment so that we can have a grandstand worthy of the twenty first century, to provide a bit more comfort for our customers, to help find new ones and to increase the day to day income to help the Club in the future.
We can all pick holes in what he has done, is doing and will do, that is the nature of the human in us all, but they are minor details and are insignificant in this scenario.
When somebody suggests that they want more, then they must remember that Rome wasn't built in a day.
I'm sure that we would all like more, Grumpy, and you do sound like a spoilt child who wants everything NOW, but we all know that a bit of patience is needed if our ambitions are to be realised. Slowly slowly catchee monkey. We cannot travel too fast because the infrastructure isn't there to take things too quickly, but there are plans in place to make our future worth waiting for.