I know some of these figures are estimates but it doesn't match up with what you are claiming as far as McKenna and Wagner go.
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Who do we want as our new Manager
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I think we need to tether our expectations to a degree. Whoever we get in will need to be given time. IF was, however once rumours of unrest circulated he was ousted quickly. If LR does take over, I feel both parties will respect the situations that both are in. He still needs to prove himself for one, and we need to prove our recruitment model works. LR ticks many boxes. More on paper than most others 'in contention ' for sure.
Re McKenna - see below articles. Accepted their wages in L1 were 3 times ours but Ipswich have outperformed their wage position this year
Gloom to glory: The fall and rise of Ipswich Town
BBC Radio Suffolk commentator Brenner Woolley on how Ipswich have been reborn under Kieran McKenna after slumping to the third tier just five years ago.
www.bbc.co.uk
Ipswich's Premier League miracle - 16th most valuable squad and Kieran McKenna brilliance
Ipswich Town are back in the Premier League after a 2-0 win over Huddersfield secured promotion. The Tractor Boys will be playing in the top flight of English football next season for the first time s [...]
LR did not have a limited budget - he had a top 10 budget and from January, top 6 .
Norwich received £30M parachute payment this year so they are top 6 in wages .
PNe budget was £15M so about right for where they finished .
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But we don't know who the others are that are "in contention". The majority on the vote list above certainly aren't
What an awful man. Thank god we have uncle Simon. https://www.skysports.com/football/...i-reveals-why-he-sacked-rosenior-but-who-next
Seems totally bizarre that people are so keen to get Rosenior in when he is known to play the same defensive, slow build up style of football that we took so vehemently against with Foster.
Hull didn't play defensive football in either game against us. And their stats do not reflect that of a defensive team either
I think Liam Rosenior has become an overwhleming favourite to become Argyle's next Head Coach not so much for what he has achieved but the person he is and how he would fit into the 'One Argyle' approach that so underpins our club from top to bottom. Would we be persuaded by someone who managed only 12 times in League One before appointing him as your manager in the Championship - probably not. Rosenior's unique attachment to Hull City persuded the club to take the risk on him. Risk is what it was and he achieved an improvement, if not always the style of play, that would have satisfied most owners.
When you look at taking risks on appointing Head Coaches who have not managed before the top three divisons have been won by clubs who took the risk their appointment of a Head Coach - Arteta, Maresco (apart from six months) and Mousinho. Then you add McKenna who achieved back to back promotions into the Premiership. Rohl achieved miracles in his first managerial job. Neil and Nance had only a handful games of Championship managerial experience in securing Argyle's survival.
Given the 'Foster experience' it is inevitable that attenion is drawn to the requirement to appoint someone with experience of managing in the Championship. Inevitably that will mean appointing someone who has failed at a Championship club unless we pay compensation for someone in a current job who hasn't. We could go for up and coming League One / Two managers on the basis that they have managed and not been an assistant coach. Would any of them have the skills to manage in the second tier?
The irony is that Ian Foster did have managerial experience. He got a first tier club in Ireland to their Cup Final and into Europe over 96 games. Sometimes managerial experience is not an absolute prequisite. Foster went wrong horribly because he tipped upside down the 'One Argyle' formula and lack the communication and motivationsl skills to implement his adverse ideas.
Change offers the temptation is often to react in an opposite direction. The clamour of some undermines that approach when in truth the best person for the job is the one that fits 'One Argyle' and not someone who wants to mould it into something else. That may mean taking a risk on someone with no managerial experience. I think the key is to ensure the appointment comes with an experienced No.2. Rohl notably appointed Chris Powell and Schuey appointed Keith Downing.
Liam Rosenior remains our best fit. If he is understandably tempted elsewhere we should not shut our eyes to the best of coaches even if they have no managerial experience. That is unless we are prepared to pay to take someone else from a club - something that Simon understandably seems reluctant to do.
When you look at taking risks on appointing Head Coaches who have not managed before the top three divisons have been won by clubs who took the risk their appointment of a Head Coach - Arteta, Maresco (apart from six months) and Mousinho. Then you add McKenna who achieved back to back promotions into the Premiership. Rohl achieved miracles in his first managerial job. Neil and Nance had only a handful games of Championship managerial experience in securing Argyle's survival.
Given the 'Foster experience' it is inevitable that attenion is drawn to the requirement to appoint someone with experience of managing in the Championship. Inevitably that will mean appointing someone who has failed at a Championship club unless we pay compensation for someone in a current job who hasn't. We could go for up and coming League One / Two managers on the basis that they have managed and not been an assistant coach. Would any of them have the skills to manage in the second tier?
The irony is that Ian Foster did have managerial experience. He got a first tier club in Ireland to their Cup Final and into Europe over 96 games. Sometimes managerial experience is not an absolute prequisite. Foster went wrong horribly because he tipped upside down the 'One Argyle' formula and lack the communication and motivationsl skills to implement his adverse ideas.
Change offers the temptation is often to react in an opposite direction. The clamour of some undermines that approach when in truth the best person for the job is the one that fits 'One Argyle' and not someone who wants to mould it into something else. That may mean taking a risk on someone with no managerial experience. I think the key is to ensure the appointment comes with an experienced No.2. Rohl notably appointed Chris Powell and Schuey appointed Keith Downing.
Liam Rosenior remains our best fit. If he is understandably tempted elsewhere we should not shut our eyes to the best of coaches even if they have no managerial experience. That is unless we are prepared to pay to take someone else from a club - something that Simon understandably seems reluctant to do.
It is a valid point but there are other narratives and statistics that suggest that the football isn't as flat as IF served up. The main narrative for the theory behind his football not being attacking enough is from the Chairman that sacked him, 4 months after giving him a new 3 year contract. Which gives an indication of the validity of his opinions.
Couple of very good points raised in this, interesting about the xG and in particular about what we can / should expect in terms of style.
Went to see Argyle Women there this season against Pompey and thought it was a great little ground. Was really impressed.
Sorry off topic I know. Bad me.
Spending only for myself here, but I suspect part of that is because he comes across well. Even before his sacking happened I’ve always been impressed with how he puts himself across, seems progressive, articulate and I thought he did a good job at Derby in very tough circumstances.
But yes your point is a fair and very valid one, but that’s where I am with it.
