porkchop":j9fryqg8 said:I dont know if its been mentioned but i wonder what the front page of that vile newspaper will say tomorrow.
A 'red-top' cannot blush, but there should be a full front page apology. Nothing less.
porkchop":j9fryqg8 said:I dont know if its been mentioned but i wonder what the front page of that vile newspaper will say tomorrow.
I agree with this.newquaygreen":tehmsd7a said:When it comes down to realities, the police and other proffesionals are supposed to be in control of such situations, in this case they were not, that the error that lead to the 96 deaths. Whether the fans arriving late didn't help is irrelavant, the police had the authority to stop the kick-off and to create an orderly entry. The fact they didn't is the cause of the situation that unfolded.
Whilst all this is bad enough and in itself may not be deserving of punishment its the lieing and fabrication of the evidence is what is so bad and those that did deserve to be punished for it, and I hope they are.
ChepstowGreen":bh18y2v9 said:Not on the front page of The Sun or The Times. Rags.
Lundan Cabbie":jf2l8oeb said:esmer":jf2l8oeb said:I agree with you X Isle. I'm sure most who disagree are too young to remember how it was back then. The whole idea that the Liverpool fans as a body behaved in a controlled, orderly manner is very hard to swallow. Aggression and violence was very much a part of football then, every club including ours had a hooligan element and the bigger the club the bigger the element and Liverpool were a huge club. The tragic events at the Heysel a couple of years before should surely dispell any doubts that Liverpool were exempt from this.X Isle":jf2l8oeb said:Cabbie, no I don't believe the police statements, I agree with every conclusion bar one, and one only.
Let's be clear about what was asked...
"Was there behaviour on the part of supporters which caused or contributed to a dangerous situation".
Every game back then, wherever it was, had fans who did this to a greater or lesser extent. It's inconceivable that in an FA cup semi final, no-one did. If even a "small group" did then they contributed in some way.
I'll leave it there, you can queue up to pillory me all you like, I just don't buy it.
Nobody is saying that Liverpool fans behaved in a controlled and orderly manner. They behaved in a manner that was very normal at that time for football crowds. Those whose duty it was to ensure the safety of everyone should have been prepared for the crowd behaving the way it did. There is no way that that behaviour should have caught the police by surprise.
PL2 3DQ":155gifqy said:ChepstowGreen":155gifqy said:Not on the front page of The Sun or The Times. Rags.
Every other major national newspaper has the story on the front page. The Sun's apology in 2012 now seems even more hollow.
esmer":1edbeyp5 said:....
I'm sure most who disagree are too young to remember how it was back then. The whole idea that the Liverpool fans as a body behaved in a controlled, orderly manner is very hard to swallow. Aggression and violence was very much a part of football then, every club including ours had a hooligan element and the bigger the club the bigger the element and Liverpool were a huge club. The tragic events at the Heysel a couple of years before should surely dispell any doubts that Liverpool were exempt from this.
dunlop":30la83ed said:XIsle and esmer are two condescending idiots who refuse to believe concrete evidence that the Liverpool fans were not to blame for the Hilisborough tragedy.
Yes, everyone came forward to speak about what the authorities did wrong, no-one came forward to speak about how they attended that game without a ticket hoping to get in 'on the wag'....for the reason I gave.ChepstowGreen":1s50ws4b said:So do you have a theory as to why the jury concluded differently?