I suspect you missed the point Biggs. A subtle distinction but it was a word related observation, not a colour/shade related observation. Semantics if you will.
Unless you're using a derivation of the Jannerism 'proper job', proper means correct. In order to be correct there must have been at some point a consensus as to what was correct. But there hasn't...neither in opinion on here and usage throughout Argyle's history.
That was MY point, for clarity.
Moving on to your points, I can't admit that the current green doesn't look green from distance because it does. Just as I can see a classic British Racing Green Mini is a BRG Mini from distance I have had no problem seeing our Argyle shirts as green from distance. It is obviously green to me.
I make no assumption that your eyesight specifically is deteriorating but I do accept there will be those in the crowd with macula degeneration to whom that may be a problem. Fair enough.
Emerald green, for that is what we're talking here, not 'proper green', is as far as watching Argyle an alien shade to our younger demographic because they haven't seen or can't remember Argyle playing in it. They may have seen old footage or pictures in a book but in terms of identity, the 21st century green is all they can identity with.
Of course they see and wear lighter green in the wider world, god knows some carp that passes as 'fashion' employs it, yes. But in terms of relating that to Argyle, no, it's not relatable to them.
Your last point, we'll that's just your opinion, others may and do agree with you. You think it looks better, fine. But bringing it back to my point that doesn't make it 'proper' / correct, it just makes it a personal preference. Personally I prefer the darker shade, and others will concur with that opinion too, that doesn't make our opinion 'proper' / correct either.
'Change' might work on a commercial level but only for a short period, as a 'nice change' as you put it. Identity, some people's dirty word but, branding however requires a consistency, a longevity, its not something you can chop and change.
If Argyle decide to cow tow to, what has always to date been a minority, albeit a loud minority, then that for me would be a retrograde move, it would undo our identity, our consistency this century.
So it may come as some surprise to hear me say it, although it won't if you've kept up with my consistent view and reasoning about this over quite some time now, but if they do change to emerald green they need to bleddy well stick to it. KEEP it emerald green for at least a decade so another identity, another branding, can establish itself just as this one has.
Change has to be for a purpose not just for the sake of it, and especially not just to sell a few extra shirts for a season or two before changing it again. Like I say, I grew up on emerald green, it's familiar to me, but there's a wider world beyond our insular little bubble that needs to see consistency from Argyle to be able to identify us, to recognise us, to know "that's Plymouth Argyle that is".
What will be will be, I just hope it's done for the right reasons and a longer term plan than just short term commercial opportunism.
Unless you're using a derivation of the Jannerism 'proper job', proper means correct. In order to be correct there must have been at some point a consensus as to what was correct. But there hasn't...neither in opinion on here and usage throughout Argyle's history.
That was MY point, for clarity.
Moving on to your points, I can't admit that the current green doesn't look green from distance because it does. Just as I can see a classic British Racing Green Mini is a BRG Mini from distance I have had no problem seeing our Argyle shirts as green from distance. It is obviously green to me.
I make no assumption that your eyesight specifically is deteriorating but I do accept there will be those in the crowd with macula degeneration to whom that may be a problem. Fair enough.
Emerald green, for that is what we're talking here, not 'proper green', is as far as watching Argyle an alien shade to our younger demographic because they haven't seen or can't remember Argyle playing in it. They may have seen old footage or pictures in a book but in terms of identity, the 21st century green is all they can identity with.
Of course they see and wear lighter green in the wider world, god knows some carp that passes as 'fashion' employs it, yes. But in terms of relating that to Argyle, no, it's not relatable to them.
Your last point, we'll that's just your opinion, others may and do agree with you. You think it looks better, fine. But bringing it back to my point that doesn't make it 'proper' / correct, it just makes it a personal preference. Personally I prefer the darker shade, and others will concur with that opinion too, that doesn't make our opinion 'proper' / correct either.
'Change' might work on a commercial level but only for a short period, as a 'nice change' as you put it. Identity, some people's dirty word but, branding however requires a consistency, a longevity, its not something you can chop and change.
If Argyle decide to cow tow to, what has always to date been a minority, albeit a loud minority, then that for me would be a retrograde move, it would undo our identity, our consistency this century.
So it may come as some surprise to hear me say it, although it won't if you've kept up with my consistent view and reasoning about this over quite some time now, but if they do change to emerald green they need to bleddy well stick to it. KEEP it emerald green for at least a decade so another identity, another branding, can establish itself just as this one has.
Change has to be for a purpose not just for the sake of it, and especially not just to sell a few extra shirts for a season or two before changing it again. Like I say, I grew up on emerald green, it's familiar to me, but there's a wider world beyond our insular little bubble that needs to see consistency from Argyle to be able to identify us, to recognise us, to know "that's Plymouth Argyle that is".
What will be will be, I just hope it's done for the right reasons and a longer term plan than just short term commercial opportunism.
