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I think we need a winger, a RB and a target man upfront.
 
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Is a right back necessary or could we add a right winger/midfielder to the ranks to help out down that side. Only seen the Grimsby game but we were often exposed 2 on 1 down that flank because of the lack of right sided players further up the pitch to track back and help out.

From what limited footage I have seen, Tanner and Carey are both most effective in the same role, controversial but would it make sense to find an alternative loanee in January to replace Tanner who can bring something different to the team. The only way I see him and Carey fitting in would be in a 4-3-2-1 formation with them both behind a targetman - i.e. Brunt/Spencer.

It would mean we have no natural width but would allow Songo'o and a.n.other to sit in front of the back 4 with Fox just in front linking up the phases of play.

If that is the case, a combative DCM would be needed to sit alongside Songo'o.

Maybe a winger to have as a Plan B but IMHO unless we get 2 specialist wingers, 1 will just make us unbalanced.
 

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SwimWithTheTide":3q3amtcu said:
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Starnes said the same last season.

Good PR for the board but I will believe it when I see it.
Money was given to DA last season. I believe after the new year we saw Forster, Matt, Houghton, Boateng and Nardiello ( :facepalm: ) arrive. You can't blame the Board for how DA spends the cash.

Only Forster & Nardiello signed in the window. The other three were loanees later on after we collapsed from the top 3. The impression I got was that we'd try and make do on the bare minimum and then when it wasn't working funds miraculously became available again.

But yeah, Adams doesn't appear to be the strongest in signing defensive players. He only signed one of our back four last season. And when Forster came in as cover centre back he was useless.

We didn't drop out of the top three until late March, Matt and Houghton had already signed by then. After Boateng arrived we did get back into the top three but once we dropped out of the automatic positions for good the emergency loan window had closed.

Tanner and Threlkeld also extended their loans during the January transfer window.
 
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Keepitgreen":1gi5m764 said:
Knibbsworth":1gi5m764 said:
Starnes said the same last season.

Good PR for the board but I will believe it when I see it.
Money was given to DA last season. I believe after the new year we saw Forster, Matt, Houghton, Boateng and Nardiello ( :facepalm: ) arrive. You can't blame the Board for how DA spends the cash.

Short term loans?

Matt was no longer wanted at Fleetwoodand shortly released on a free.
Boateng was with us before Christmas, so a stretch to call him 'January spending'. The issue of his return was over his injury and his fitness, so we were told. He arrived very late also, as in about two months after January.
Nardiello never played. Doubt he would have been an expensive DA target, more like unfit cover struggling for fitness.
Chelsea according to some paid Houghton's wages so long as he played, and we only did when he didn't.

If that was us spending big in January whereas our rivals actually signed some players on real actual wages, no wonder we fell behind.

The one deal we seemed to have going for Alan Smith fell through.

I'm not blaming the board for the Smith deal collapsing, but I remember feeling distinctly underwhelmed after the signings that were promised. It felt like a barren January after a lot of talk about how the board were here to back DA.
 
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Apart from Marquis(?) last year did many January signings impact the season that much?

January is no longer the time to be buying players, they're expensive and need time to adjust to the new club. Also, being in the basement division where would be look and who could we buy from? People in our league (unlikely)? Form players in the league below (pricey)? Out of form players in the league above (risky/pricey)? Loaning is probably the most sensible way of utilising any funds but then it depends on who is available and which managers see us as a good place for their young 'uns to develop.
 
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Adam_R":2aad21zj said:
Apart from Marquis(?) last year did many January signings impact the season that much?

January is no longer the time to be buying players, they're expensive and need time to adjust to the new club. Also, being in the basement division where would be look and who could we buy from? People in our league (unlikely)? Form players in the league below (pricey)? Out of form players in the league above (risky/pricey)? Loaning is probably the most sensible way of utilising any funds but then it depends on who is available and which managers see us as a good place for their young 'uns to develop.

Novel idea I know, but we could look to our "young 'uns " to develop! All already settled locally, know the club, familiar with set ups and regimes, management styles etc. there's half the battle won straight away. Ben Purrington (not for the first time either) has shown that we shouldn't fear giving them a chance of a proper run.

Surely now is also a great time to explore it. Things need shaking up but we cant sign anyone until January. So if people want a change at RB ,why not give Bill Palfrey a go, striker? Surely time for Rooney to get given a run of games?!I hope Fletcher can build on the back of his debut as well and it was nice to see him get given that opportunity. Wingers Battle, aint half bad there and scores 5oals a plenty. Personally I think releasing Callum Hall was short sighted in the extreme. I doubt his wages would have been much to cover, we knew we had a change of rules to the loan system coming in and he could have been playing in the SWPL whilst waiting to see if a break would come his way which might well have been at this very moment in time.

If Palfrey/Rooney/Battle/Fletcher et al, don't do the biz between now and January then fair enough look to bring someone in but why not give them a chance in the meantime?
 
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Nardiello- was there ever any explanation of that situation?
They were trying to replicate the Kenny Cooper situation, only on a budget :lol:
 

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Counterproductive saying that keeps the keyboard warriors happy, but clubs will now know DA has a few bob to spend up goes the price.

Rather wait until the say we have signed X y & z.


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MarkMatthews":3vntkh9o said:
Adam_R":3vntkh9o said:
Apart from Marquis(?) last year did many January signings impact the season that much?

January is no longer the time to be buying players, they're expensive and need time to adjust to the new club. Also, being in the basement division where would be look and who could we buy from? People in our league (unlikely)? Form players in the league below (pricey)? Out of form players in the league above (risky/pricey)? Loaning is probably the most sensible way of utilising any funds but then it depends on who is available and which managers see us as a good place for their young 'uns to develop.

Novel idea I know, but we could look to our "young 'uns " to develop! All already settled locally, know the club, familiar with set ups and regimes, management styles etc. there's half the battle won straight away. Ben Purrington (not for the first time either) has shown that we shouldn't fear giving them a chance of a proper run.

Surely now is also a great time to explore it. Things need shaking up but we cant sign anyone until January. So if people want a change at RB ,why not give Bill Palfrey a go, striker? Surely time for Rooney to get given a run of games?!I hope Fletcher can build on the back of his debut as well and it was nice to see him get given that opportunity. Wingers Battle, aint half bad there and scores 5oals a plenty. Personally I think releasing Callum Hall was short sighted in the extreme. I doubt his wages would have been much to cover, we knew we had a change of rules to the loan system coming in and he could have been playing in the SWPL whilst waiting to see if a break would come his way which might well have been at this very moment in time.

If Palfrey/Rooney/Battle/Fletcher et al, don't do the biz between now and January then fair enough look to bring someone in but why not give them a chance in the meantime?
Promising kids won't get us out of Division 4.

We signed 16 players in the summer but the failure to replace Reid and Matt has come back to bite us big time.
 
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demportdave":3fqa0cp0 said:
MarkMatthews":3fqa0cp0 said:
Adam_R":3fqa0cp0 said:
Apart from Marquis(?) last year did many January signings impact the season that much?

January is no longer the time to be buying players, they're expensive and need time to adjust to the new club. Also, being in the basement division where would be look and who could we buy from? People in our league (unlikely)? Form players in the league below (pricey)? Out of form players in the league above (risky/pricey)? Loaning is probably the most sensible way of utilising any funds but then it depends on who is available and which managers see us as a good place for their young 'uns to develop.

Novel idea I know, but we could look to our "young 'uns " to develop! All already settled locally, know the club, familiar with set ups and regimes, management styles etc. there's half the battle won straight away. Ben Purrington (not for the first time either) has shown that we shouldn't fear giving them a chance of a proper run.

Surely now is also a great time to explore it. Things need shaking up but we cant sign anyone until January. So if people want a change at RB ,why not give Bill Palfrey a go, striker? Surely time for Rooney to get given a run of games?!I hope Fletcher can build on the back of his debut as well and it was nice to see him get given that opportunity. Wingers Battle, aint half bad there and scores 5oals a plenty. Personally I think releasing Callum Hall was short sighted in the extreme. I doubt his wages would have been much to cover, we knew we had a change of rules to the loan system coming in and he could have been playing in the SWPL whilst waiting to see if a break would come his way which might well have been at this very moment in time.

If Palfrey/Rooney/Battle/Fletcher et al, don't do the biz between now and January then fair enough look to bring someone in but why not give them a chance in the meantime?
Promising kids won't get us out of Division 4.

We signed 16 players in the summer but the failure to replace Reid and Matt has come back to bite us big time.

Because the approach we have been taking has been so successful at getting us out of the fourth division. :think: :problem:
 
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MarkMatthews":208q2b6u said:
demportdave":208q2b6u said:
MarkMatthews":208q2b6u said:
Adam_R":208q2b6u said:
Apart from Marquis(?) last year did many January signings impact the season that much?

January is no longer the time to be buying players, they're expensive and need time to adjust to the new club. Also, being in the basement division where would be look and who could we buy from? People in our league (unlikely)? Form players in the league below (pricey)? Out of form players in the league above (risky/pricey)? Loaning is probably the most sensible way of utilising any funds but then it depends on who is available and which managers see us as a good place for their young 'uns to develop.

Novel idea I know, but we could look to our "young 'uns " to develop! All already settled locally, know the club, familiar with set ups and regimes, management styles etc. there's half the battle won straight away. Ben Purrington (not for the first time either) has shown that we shouldn't fear giving them a chance of a proper run.

Surely now is also a great time to explore it. Things need shaking up but we cant sign anyone until January. So if people want a change at RB ,why not give Bill Palfrey a go, striker? Surely time for Rooney to get given a run of games?!I hope Fletcher can build on the back of his debut as well and it was nice to see him get given that opportunity. Wingers Battle, aint half bad there and scores 5oals a plenty. Personally I think releasing Callum Hall was short sighted in the extreme. I doubt his wages would have been much to cover, we knew we had a change of rules to the loan system coming in and he could have been playing in the SWPL whilst waiting to see if a break would come his way which might well have been at this very moment in time.

If Palfrey/Rooney/Battle/Fletcher et al, don't do the biz between now and January then fair enough look to bring someone in but why not give them a chance in the meantime?
Promising kids won't get us out of Division 4.

We signed 16 players in the summer but the failure to replace Reid and Matt has come back to bite us big time.

Because the approach we have been taking has been so successful at getting us out of the fourth division. :think: :problem:

I remember watching the likes of Isaac Vassell, Luke Young, Tyler Harvey, Matt Lecointe etc. all together, think we were in the relegation zone of League Two at the time and very nearly got relegated.

Interesting idea though. I suppose the Class of 92 approach works if your kids are as good as Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, the Nevilles etc. but I'm not sure if the lads you have faith in will have about 500 international caps between them and a haul of medals at the end of their careers.

To sum it up, Jordan Houghton came to us last season as the Chelsea youth team captain and a veteran of academy level U21 football. He wasn't good enough and was a boy on a man's pitch. He didn't have a bloke's body like Boateng, was too young and too weak and without exceptional technical skill to make up for it. I doubt anyone in our youth team will be any better technically than Jordan Houghton. However the best person to judge that at the end of the day is the manager.

The idea that if you play kids they will develop into the role isn't a sound assumption either. We put considerable time and effort into Harvey and Young, and that included generous first team exposure. They just weren't ever quite Football League quality. We developed Hourihane and Nelson with a lot more certainty, but you always knew there were cracking players in those two.

When Derek Adams sees a talented prospect like Hourihane and Nelson I am sure he will be keen to bring them on. If they are run of the mill young lads that have lots to work on, I'm sure he will wait to see the big surge from them that shows they are going to make the step up into professional football. Purrington has shown that you can quietly impress and improve behind the scenes and position into becoming a cover player for a senior pro before getting a big chance. He wasn't just thrown in the deep end on a whim/hunch, but developed over two to three years of training and being around the senior professionals. He doesn't look out of place at all now.

We are in a promotion campaign and Derek Adams doesn't have the luxury of developing kids with the patience and time it requires. Bringing young CBs and centre mids out of the U18s and straight into Doncaster in front of 8,000 fans sounds like a disastrous idea in all honesty.
 
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"He(Purrington) wasn't just thrown in the deep end on a whim"

14/58 of his appearances came as an apprentice!