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WoodsyGreen":21uv99xa said:
I don't agree with the theory that Cooper will improve with experience. Yes he's young but he's got, what, ten years' experience of catching footballs? Despite that he looked like an outfielder in goal at times today.

You don’t think that a 20 year old footballer could get better as he ages and plays more games? Seriously?
 
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Nobby":2zu54zmh said:
WoodsyGreen":2zu54zmh said:
I don't agree with the theory that Cooper will improve with experience. Yes he's young but he's got, what, ten years' experience of catching footballs? Despite that he looked like an outfielder in goal at times today.

You don’t think that a 20 year old footballer could get better as he ages and plays more games? Seriously?

Goalkeepers in particular. They don't need pace but decision-making comes from experience.
 
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Metal_Green_Mickey":57f6cdxp said:
A win just masks how poor we were.

Second half was atrocious as soon as Evans changed it tactically.

We can only thank Gillingham players for poor finishing and inexplicably helping us to defend by clearing off the line for us.

Lowe did nothing once more. Just changed like for like. My only conclusion is that he is tactically lacking because why would you just do nothing when your team is being swamped by the opposition.

New players won’t solve this. Unfortunately, we will keep seeing the same thing because that’s what we see every game.

Someone has to be honest with Lowe and telling him his system doesn’t work. A proper honest and open discussion. All l imagine currently is people pandering to him telling him to stick what he believes in. Well if he sticks with this system with these crop of players then we will get relegated, or survive by the skin of our teeth due to the incompetence of other clubs.

I like Lowe. I don’t want him sacked. However, at the end of the season if we are currently still seeing the same problems and same issues as we do now then unfortunately he will have proven that currently Argyle aren’t learning.

Yes it’s a great 3 points. Yet in the grand scheme of things we haven’t seen anything different today to our worries and concerns we have been having over the past two/three months.

Very worried.

For a system that doesn’t work he hasn’t half got an excellent win ratio. We have got 26 points from 21 games which would make us comfortably safe if we can carry on at the same rate for the rest of the season. This season is all about consolidation and there will be ups and downs.

I can only be honest on what lm seeing. Maybe lm being too harsh but there are a number of issues that different posters keep pointing out and unfortunately they are issues still happening. Just because today we weren’t punished doesn't mean we aren’t going to have problems down the line.

I take on board what your though. I look more at the performance, instead of the results. I just can’t recall the last convincing performance where we didn’t rely on the ineptitude of the opposition in order to gain a point. If you play well, you will gain points. For me we aren’t playing well especially when the opposition manager changes it tactically.

My expectations are simple l feel. See a system of play where you perform consistently. All l see after half time in games is pure panic and a lack of ideas once teams press us.
 

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Credit where credit's due, the lads dug in for a win in difficult conditions against just the sort of team that typically allow Argyle to play all the nice football, before bashing out a couple of goals to take the points up the A38. And this was a Steve Evans team into the bargain - just the sort of team that specialise in that type of smash 'n' grab. We could easily have lost that match 2-1 - a bit like some of our recent defeats - but the lads did all of the unglamorous, tough stuff to keep Gillingham at bay. Luggy would have been proud - proper blood 'n' snotters stuff.

And all credit to the ref, who let the game flow and refused to be intimidated by the Gillingham touchline staff - not just Evans.

Not the greatest of spectacles but three hard-won points from a team that is learning to win tough as well as pretty.
 
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Nobby":s1wv2s5n said:
WoodsyGreen":s1wv2s5n said:
I don't agree with the theory that Cooper will improve with experience. Yes he's young but he's got, what, ten years' experience of catching footballs? Despite that he looked like an outfielder in goal at times today.

You don’t think that a 20 year old footballer could get better as he ages and plays more games? Seriously?

I didn't phrase it very well.

Improve? Yes. Improve to the point where he'd be League One standard? No.
 
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Keith_Whitfield":9a5miwlc said:
Credit where credit's due, the lads dug in for a win in difficult conditions against just the sort of team that typically allow Argyle to play all the nice football, before bashing out a couple of goals to take the points up the A38. And this was a Steve Evans team into the bargain - just the sort of team that specialise in that type of smash 'n' grab. We could easily have lost that match 2-1 - a bit like some of our recent defeats - but the lads did all of the unglamorous, tough stuff to keep Gillingham at bay. Luggy would have been proud - proper blood 'n' snotters stuff.

And all credit to the ref, who let the game flow and refused to be intimidated by the Gillingham touchline staff - not just Evans.

Not the greatest of spectacles but three hard-won points from a team that is learning to win tough as well as pretty.

Would you say the same if their player hadn't cleared off the line in the last minute plus other chances. More down to luck than blood n snotters I'm afraid
 

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Balham_Green":25yhjqrz said:
Keith_Whitfield":25yhjqrz said:
Credit where credit's due, the lads dug in for a win in difficult conditions against just the sort of team that typically allow Argyle to play all the nice football, before bashing out a couple of goals to take the points up the A38. And this was a Steve Evans team into the bargain - just the sort of team that specialise in that type of smash 'n' grab. We could easily have lost that match 2-1 - a bit like some of our recent defeats - but the lads did all of the unglamorous, tough stuff to keep Gillingham at bay. Luggy would have been proud - proper blood 'n' snotters stuff.

And all credit to the ref, who let the game flow and refused to be intimidated by the Gillingham touchline staff - not just Evans.

Not the greatest of spectacles but three hard-won points from a team that is learning to win tough as well as pretty.

Would you say the same if their player hadn't cleared off the line in the last minute plus other chances. More down to luck than blood n snotters I'm afraid

Bad misses, fantastic saves, individual outstanding performances, luck and refereeing decisions. All part of football games week in, week out.

But it was one helluva clearance.
 
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Frank_Butcher":2twfmj2x said:
Balham_Green":2twfmj2x said:
Keith_Whitfield":2twfmj2x said:
Credit where credit's due, the lads dug in for a win in difficult conditions against just the sort of team that typically allow Argyle to play all the nice football, before bashing out a couple of goals to take the points up the A38. And this was a Steve Evans team into the bargain - just the sort of team that specialise in that type of smash 'n' grab. We could easily have lost that match 2-1 - a bit like some of our recent defeats - but the lads did all of the unglamorous, tough stuff to keep Gillingham at bay. Luggy would have been proud - proper blood 'n' snotters stuff.

And all credit to the ref, who let the game flow and refused to be intimidated by the Gillingham touchline staff - not just Evans.

Not the greatest of spectacles but three hard-won points from a team that is learning to win tough as well as pretty.

Would you say the same if their player hadn't cleared off the line in the last minute plus other chances. More down to luck than blood n snotters I'm afraid

Bad misses, fantastic saves, individual outstanding performances, luck and refereeing decisions. All part of football games week in, week out.

But it was one helluva clearance.

Sorry don't remember any fantastic saves.
 

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Balham_Green":14nsvij5 said:
Frank_Butcher":14nsvij5 said:
Balham_Green":14nsvij5 said:
Keith_Whitfield":14nsvij5 said:
Credit where credit's due, the lads dug in for a win in difficult conditions against just the sort of team that typically allow Argyle to play all the nice football, before bashing out a couple of goals to take the points up the A38. And this was a Steve Evans team into the bargain - just the sort of team that specialise in that type of smash 'n' grab. We could easily have lost that match 2-1 - a bit like some of our recent defeats - but the lads did all of the unglamorous, tough stuff to keep Gillingham at bay. Luggy would have been proud - proper blood 'n' snotters stuff.

And all credit to the ref, who let the game flow and refused to be intimidated by the Gillingham touchline staff - not just Evans.

Not the greatest of spectacles but three hard-won points from a team that is learning to win tough as well as pretty.

Would you say the same if their player hadn't cleared off the line in the last minute plus other chances. More down to luck than blood n snotters I'm afraid

Bad misses, fantastic saves, individual outstanding performances, luck and refereeing decisions. All part of football games week in, week out.

But it was one helluva clearance.

Sorry don't remember any fantastic saves.

Er, it was a generic comment - the clue may be found in the second sentence if it helps you?
 
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We did go through a run of games where every effort from the oppostion seemed to fly into the net so maybe things started to even themselves out today. We played some really good football in patches today but again we didn't seem to adapt too well to the opposition changing things up. Seems like we could do with a bit more experience on the pitch to better handle when that happens.

Well done to the lads for getting another 3 points though.
 

Keith Whitfield

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Not denying that we had some luck today, but the team showed signs that they are beginning to learn how to match up to the teams that have recently caused them most problems, and that has got to be a good sign.

Also, anyone who says that Coops didn't make some good saves today, didn't watch the match. Yes, he showed uncharacteristic naivety and this was one of his less good games, but he also did some really good stuff. He will learn from that. I hope his knockers will too.

This wasn't a classic Argyle win but they got three points against a cunning, physical team. That's something to be delighted about, not downbeat. Enjoy the moment!
 

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Mike Charlick":pfb5iq9o said:
Third division fare decided by a Championship level cross & finish.

Spot on!
All our problems were of our own making. Poor decisions at the back with slow distribution. That was a poor Gillingham performance but they missed two sitters! We are so frustrating to watch: moments of great football followed by abject paucity!
We are so vulnerable at corners and set pieces. After that performance we definitely need a loan keeper and Mike Cooper to go out on loan and get more experience. He flapped all game. I think there is a good keeper in there but he doesn’t have a commanding, physical presence. That is vital for the way Lowe wants to play!
 
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Almost a carbon copy of the Oxford game, only Gillingham didn't manage to put away their chances.

Had we lost that 1-3 it wouldn't have been unjust.
 

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There is no denying that Mike Cooper did not have a good game. He came for more crosses than he normally does and, if that was what he was told to do, it didn’t work. I do think that he got a touch on the ‘added time’ cross that prevented the forward from getting a clean header.
RL and his management team will know if he needs a break and I would respect their selection for the FA Cup game at Huddersfield although I would keep faith in Cooper.