Clockwise (film) starring John Cleese.Brian Stimpson: It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand.
with-menace":1uztx8fy said:Simply lost to a better side. I can live with that. Unlike Germany 28 years ago no tears, just acceptance. After so many gut wrenching stabs to the heart all I feel is a numb acceptance of familiar , comfortable pain and disappointment. Honestly anything else would’ve felt so foreign we’d of had an allergic reaction to it.
Quite interesting to see the peculiar frothing vitriol from certain quarters though especially considering pre tournament expectations. Yeah what a bunch of *****s losers getting further than Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina etc.
Argylegames":2jr9ktnr said:Clockwise (film) starring John Cleese.Brian Stimpson: It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand.
Sums up watching England for me since 1966 - which is why I don't watch them any more.
PL2 3DQ":1zkq3c67 said:I'm surprised Maguire didn't go up front for the last 10 minutes and hit the ball long. We still played three centre-backs late in the game when there was no need.
The ref was poor and the linesman on the far side missed an obvious corner and throw in for us.
Kane was running on fumes over the last two games.
Oh well, we had a great tournament and the players and Southgate have got the public liking England again.
Metal_Green_Mickey":u4f2r16f said:First half was excellent. It was looking great.
Then second half they just disappeared. The passing was horrendous. The gap between the forwards to defence and us pinging long balls was mind boggling.
Croatia got stronger. They started to control the midfield. Instead of playing around with the ball, England lost the balance of their side. As much as we say this player didnt do this, and that, you have to look at Southgate too. Unfortuately, it tactically needed changing in terms of the system we used and instead all we did was replace one player for another.
Croatia deserved to win in the end. Yet it feels like a massive chance missed because how many times will we ever get a draw like this?
It feels like a mentality thing. Maybe we just have to accept we dont have that strong, mental approach that other nations seems to display in games like these. To play well, dominate and then just totally lose the physical control of a match against a side who played two extra time games in the last two rounds seems abit strange.
Lets hope we can build on from this and not look back in 10 years on YouTube as one of those great "glorious failures".
Argylegames":1u5zov25 said:Clockwise (film) starring John Cleese.Brian Stimpson: It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand.
Sums up watching England for me since 1966 - which is why I don't watch them any more.
Not digging anyone out but Rashford, Stirling and Vardy are nowhere near world class yet the best we have. A tournament highlights video of those three wouldn’t last a minute. They did their best but woefully inadequate to compete with the best.Balham_Green":1ykjao7q said:Metal_Green_Mickey":1ykjao7q said:First half was excellent. It was looking great.
Then second half they just disappeared. The passing was horrendous. The gap between the forwards to defence and us pinging long balls was mind boggling.
Croatia got stronger. They started to control the midfield. Instead of playing around with the ball, England lost the balance of their side. As much as we say this player didnt do this, and that, you have to look at Southgate too. Unfortuately, it tactically needed changing in terms of the system we used and instead all we did was replace one player for another.
Croatia deserved to win in the end. Yet it feels like a massive chance missed because how many times will we ever get a draw like this?
It feels like a mentality thing. Maybe we just have to accept we dont have that strong, mental approach that other nations seems to display in games like these. To play well, dominate and then just totally lose the physical control of a match against a side who played two extra time games in the last two rounds seems abit strange.
Lets hope we can build on from this and not look back in 10 years on YouTube as one of those great "glorious failures".
'Mentality thing'. Or could it just be they had better players than us.?Simple as that. They had 3 or 4 world class players. How many did we have?
I’ll never forget how they sold the premier league as the biggest boon to English football since Bobby Charlton, what a massive pile of old pony that transpired to be. Much like this winter break bollo now.up_the_line":2bsrqev6 said:Very proud of the England players and the dignified Southgate, holder of the hardest job in football. After the disappointment the PREM boys won't be bothered as long as their 'adopted' side from a city they'll never visit buy the Croatia scorers.
'Ere oi loikes that lad from Lithudonia oo plaid gainst us in that frenly. Oi opes ee soins fer livverpool this seezon. Oi mean obviously oi voted brexit but oi don't fink that shud affect moi Premier league team. Oi almost went livverpool one yeer. Oi couldn't tho coz Stoke ver Swansea wuz on telli. Bud oi got the shirt tho an oi got the name of that Lithudonian player on the back'
The manager and players of England don't just compete against the opposition team but also against a 'product' and 'consumers' who align themselves with 'brands' and expect those 'brands' to serve them the best show in their living room every weekend. They don't want to hear about 'developing English talent', they want the glamour and prestige for a former industrial city they've never visited and they want it now.