Free agents to come

[nick_PASTIE]

Some more free agents

Chris Hackett
Scott Donnelley
Taribo West
Nwankwu Kanu
Harry Redknapp
Mathieu Flamini
Anthony Stokes
Michael Chopra
Deane Smalley
Leroy Lita
Reuben Lazurus
Morrissey
Samir Nasri

 

[Emu]

Some more free agents

Chris Hackett
Scott Donnelley
Taribo West
Nwankwu Kanu
Harry Redknapp
Mathieu Flamini
Anthony Stokes
Michael Chopra
Deane Smalley
Leroy Lita
Reuben Lazurus
Morrissey
Samir Nasri

You forgot Daniel Pasoti!

 

[argobenz]

How far we have fallen from the bottom of league 2 to the middle of league 1?[/quote]
I meant regarding monies available, we paid 300k ,400k, and 500k for players only 10/12 years ago[/quote]
You do know that we went into administration with debts of £17,000,000 just afterwards?

Ever stopped to wonder If there is some sort of coincidence there?

You wouldn't mind if they had been any good but Steve MacLean was pish.

I fought tooth and nail in the build up to that period on this very message board against those who lined up to tell Argyle to 'spend spend spend'. There are (what should be) clear and obvious dangers to spending money we don't have. A warning from history is required...

I have resisted engaging on the 'brentwallet' thread because I know that when I go I will go straight for the throat and with "great vengeance and furious anger". Why? Because our administration period for me can be traced right back to the first chump who coined the phrase "Staplewallet".

From small acorns great oaks grow... or in that case 'from small chugnuts doth masses of poo flow'. A few 'witty' souls turned their frustration with a perceived lack of progress (in fact, as now, they were just massively impatient and wanted someone else to bankroll Argyle to success for them) started up the finger pointing around money invested in the team.

Up to that point Argyle had been going great guns whilst not breaking the bank. But a few turned into several, several turned into many and before you knew it the Argyle board were faced with huge clarion calls to 'spend spend spend'. Trouble was Argyle didn't have money to spend, gates started dropping and Argyle started to panic. Players were bought that they couldn't afford and as bills went up and gates went down they just threw good money after bad.

Upshot, despite increasingly desperate efforts to get new money in, culminating in the NWO debacle Argyle nearly ceased to exist.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER again... or so you would have thought.

But no, I see now the same small seeds of accusation being levelled as before. Fan pressure can, once the snowball starts rolling, become irresistible to try and placate. It only takes a small overspend to kick off the process of good money going after bad.

Argyle now is being run as a self sufficient entity. I want it to remain that way, we should ALL want it to remain that way. No-one should want blood on their hands for Argyle's death because they started a movement of bitter, selfish, impatient name calling and conspiracy theory peddling that ended in liquidation.

Am I being over dramatic here? No. I saw it coming, I tried to stop it before, but it happened, it was all too real and scared the living pooh out of all of us. You can see therefore why history beginning to repeat itself might be cause for alarm now.

Stop this bullsh1t NOW. It does grow and it does end in abject humiliation and possible consignment to the annals of history.

How can you possibly bemoan the fact that we no longer spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on player transfer fees when that very act nearly caused us to go to the wall? And this isn't ancient history peeps, we can all remember it.

Unbeferkinlievable :facepalm:[/quote]


Where does 17 million come from?[/quote]


I agree, how could we ever have got that much in debt??

 

[Stuart House]

Whilst I completely agree with xisle that we shouldn't spend more than we have - and I'm sure 99% of others on here do as well.

BUT

What people seem to think is not happening (and I don't have any inclination of how true this is or not) is that we are not spending what we DO HAVE.

Now whether this is a misconception or a reality it is something Brent as majority share holder has to address.

What's the weather got to do with it?

Don't know what you are talking about

 

[ealinggreen]

What are you on about same people,it was a simple question where does 17 million come from.I have never heard of that figure and I like facts.What same people posts have I made ? clever dick.

It is an age old trick Ealing, selective quoting and nit picking, ignoring the big picture and focusing on the small one.

Whether that was your intention or not, only you can say, and you have. Fair enough.

To answer your question £17m was the widely quoted estimated total liability in administration. It turns out it was actually a conservative estimate. Q8 in the link below from the board shows the total was actually "over £20m" :shock:

I apologise for getting my facts wrong but it doesn't undermine the point, it rather strengthens it :wink:

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2016/august ... tatement-/

Many couldn't figure out where all this money went. I would venture to suggest that is born of the same ignorance that can't wok out where the 'Liverpool/Purrington/Hourihane/etc' money has gone this time round.

Fag packet maths can add up incoming revenue but the size of fag packet required to list all the boring and unheralded bills going out, for all the mundane requirements of a football club, not least wages, ancillary fees, tax, NI relating to playing staff would need to accommodate fags only Godzilla could smoke.

If we ignore what happened before, it WILL happen again. I am 100% supportive of self sufficiency, I was then and I can't begin to imagine why everyone else isn't now.

You really are an arrogant individual,my question was a simple one which has been answered.I have made no comments suggesting Argyle should be spending money. Neither do I have any interest in your opinions on the club spending money or not,I will leave that to Adams.I do not have any age old tricks,I am a simple Janner.

 

[Biggs]

Many couldn't figure out where all this money went. I would venture to suggest that is born of the same ignorance that can't wok out where the 'Liverpool/Purrington/Hourihane/etc' money has gone this time round.

Fag packet maths can add up incoming revenue but the size of fag packet required to list all the boring and unheralded bills going out, for all the mundane requirements of a football club, not least wages, ancillary fees, tax, NI relating to playing staff would need to accommodate fags only Godzilla could smoke.

You're bang on (again) Smiffy, I'm tearing my hair out at the unbelievably simplistic sums people are making. Especially as we've been explicitly told that much of that unbudgeted income has paid off debt and gone into the club's infrastructure AND we have a huge Grandstand development coming up.

Asking why we haven't got all that money to spend on players is a bit like setting out a personal budget for the month ahead and only including rent and food. And ignoring tax deductions while you're at it.

There probably is a bit of money, especially from the Jervis deal, but clearly we didn't have time or the opportunity to spend it. But we look in a healthy position, we can use some of the cash on a couple of free agents, and we are set to enjoy a season of valuable consolidation as we did in 2003.

There really is no need for negativity.

 

[PlymOdi]

What are you on about same people,it was a simple question where does 17 million come from.I have never heard of that figure and I like facts.What same people posts have I made ? clever dick.

It is an age old trick Ealing, selective quoting and nit picking, ignoring the big picture and focusing on the small one.

Whether that was your intention or not, only you can say, and you have. Fair enough.

To answer your question £17m was the widely quoted estimated total liability in administration. It turns out it was actually a conservative estimate. Q8 in the link below from the board shows the total was actually "over £20m" :shock:

I apologise for getting my facts wrong but it doesn't undermine the point, it rather strengthens it :wink:

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2016/august ... tatement-/

Many couldn't figure out where all this money went. I would venture to suggest that is born of the same ignorance that can't wok out where the 'Liverpool/Purrington/Hourihane/etc' money has gone this time round.

Fag packet maths can add up incoming revenue but the size of fag packet required to list all the boring and unheralded bills going out, for all the mundane requirements of a football club, not least wages, ancillary fees, tax, NI relating to playing staff would need to accommodate fags only Godzilla could smoke.

If we ignore what happened before, it WILL happen again. I am 100% supportive of self sufficiency, I was then and I can't begin to imagine why everyone else isn't now.

You really are an arrogant individual,my question was a simple one which has been answered.I have made no comments suggesting Argyle should be spending money. Neither do I have any interest in your opinions on the club spending money or not,I will leave that to Adams.I do not have any age old tricks,I am a simple Janner.

Ignore him. You hit the nail on the head with arrogant. He's more interested in stroking his ego and attempting to condescend people on here than following the thread. He makes several of these errors jumping on people because he's too quick to defend a point not being attacked.

 

[argobenz]

I still don't believe Argyle were 17M in debt, we were hardly attracting top players, even Mpenza was only on 10k.

 

[IJN]

:lol:

All the papers, spreadsheets, profit and loss accounts were fake were they?

 

[Biggs]

I still don't believe Argyle were 17M in debt, we were hardly attracting top players, even Mpenza was only on 10k.

Sorry AG, but I think this comment sums up the criticism of the fag packet maths being done.

 

[argobenz]

:lol:

All the papers, spreadsheets, profit and loss accounts were fake were they?

Well if they were real it was pathetic handling by the board, christ we even had an accountant there.

Brent must be a miricle worker if he can run us and make a profit?

 

[Biggs]

:lol:

All the papers, spreadsheets, profit and loss accounts were fake were they?

Well if they were real it was pathetic handling by the board, christ we even had an accountant there.

Why does the phrase 'no 5hit, Sherlock' come to mind? :lol:

 

[argobenz]

I still don't believe Argyle were 17M in debt, we were hardly attracting top players, even Mpenza was only on 10k.

Sorry AG, but I think this comment sums up the criticism of the fag packet maths being done.

I admit I'm looking without having seen the breakdown of the figures, but where on earth was 17M spent, new stadium....No, Players.....No, Large staff salaries......No, Directors.............???

 

[IJN]

Seip was on £8k a week FFS, start working off that figure and it soon mounts up. The wages were astronomical. Chuck into that we paid people like Fitz £1k a match etc etc, you can see why we were up the fiduciary swanny.


As for large staff figures??? Who says? I bet you Peter Reid was on £100k plus, then chuck in CEO's salary etc etc.

 

[Emu]

I still don't believe Argyle were 17M in debt, we were hardly attracting top players, even Mpenza was only on 10k.

Sorry AG, but I think this comment sums up the criticism of the fag packet maths being done.

I admit I'm looking without having seen the breakdown of the figures, but where on earth was 17M spent, new stadium....No, Players.....No, Large staff salaries......No, Directors.............???

Here's Ian's breakdown as a refresher

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk ... p?a=239507