Quiet Devonport End

[jerryatricjanner]

Last night we played Grimsby FFS...... GRIMSBY (even the name is depressing) ........on a wet Tuesday night. We're not playing Real Madrid just yet - let's be realistic.

Somewhat patronising on a club whose average finishing position in English football each season is 42nd...…. six places ABOVE that of Argyle's

Paul I know you're an anorak but I find that stat incredible, are you sure?

If you go back to the 1800s and pre war he would have a case but for any Argyle fan under about 75 the stat would indeed be surprising and for the under 30 odds even more so. They were 15 years in league 2 or non league until recently.

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

Last night we played Grimsby FFS...... GRIMSBY (even the name is depressing) ........on a wet Tuesday night. We're not playing Real Madrid just yet - let's be realistic.

Somewhat patronising on a club whose average finishing position in English football each season is 42nd...…. six places ABOVE that of Argyle's

Paul I know you're an anorak but I find that stat incredible, are you sure?

To be fair, it was only up to and including season 2016-17

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

Pos Average Position
1 8.168 Liverpool
2 8.611 Arsenal
3 9.653 Everton
4 10.228 Manchester United
5 11.576 Aston Villa
6 12.102 Tottenham Hotspur
7 13.366 Chelsea
8 13.904 Manchester City
9 14.274 Newcastle United
10 15.345 Sunderland
11 17.669 West Bromwich Alb
12 18.582 West Ham United
13 19.411 Leeds United
14 19.525 Blackburn Rovers
15 20.297 Derby County
16 20.607 Middlesbrough
17 20.941 Wolves
18 21.228 Sheffield Wed.
19 21.305 Bolton Wanderers
20 22.360 Sheffield United
21 22.596 Birmingham City
22 22.555 Stoke City
23 22.696 Leicester City
24 23.044 Nottingham Forest
25 25.411 Southampton
26 26.472 Ipswich Town
27 26.712 Burnley
28 30.051 Preston North End
29 31.800 Portsmouth
30 31.966 Charlton Athletic
31 33.293 Fulham
32 33.594 Huddersfield Town
33 33.824 Coventry City
34 34.500 Norwich City
35 35.780 Blackpool
36 36.600 Queens Park R.
37 38.489 Crystal Palace
38 39.091 AFC Wimbledon
39 39.822 Cardiff City
40 40.914 Bristol City
41 41.094 Luton Town
42 41.381 Notts County
43 42.750 Barnsley
44 42.554 Hull City
45 43.491 Grimsby Town
46 44.278 Watford
47 44.657 Oldham Athletic
48 44.768 Bury
49 44.833 Millwall
50 48.128 Wigan Athletic
51 48.011 Swansea City
52 48.767 Brighton & Hove A.
53 48.789 Reading
54 48.811 Plymouth Argyle
55 50.010 Bradford City
56 51.702 Port Vale
57 52.489 Swindon Town
58 52.624 Leyton Orient
59 53.144 Brentford
60 53.400 Rotherham United
61 53.412 Oxford United
62 54.393 Bristol Rovers
63 55.598 Walsall
64 55.615 Milton Keynes Dons
65 56.333 Bournemouth
66 57.000 Chesterfield
67 60.049 Carlisle United
68 60.659 Doncaster Rovers
69 61.061 Shrewsbury Town
70 61.067 Southend United
71 61.635 Gillingham
72 63.500 Yeovil Town
73 63.600 Fleetwood Town
74 63.702 Peterborough Utd
75 64.548 Crewe Alexandra
76 65.000 Colchester United
77 65.200 Northampton Town
78 65.789 Cambridge United
79 65.940 Scunthorpe United
80 67.027 Mansfield Town
81 67.688 Newport County
82 68.583 Wycombe W.
83 69.250 Burton Albion
84 69.647 Exeter City
85 70.286 Stevenage
86 70.667 Crawley Town
87 71.427 Rochdale
88 71.798 Hartlepool United
89 76.765 Cheltenham Town
90 77.068 Accrington Stanley
91 82.250 Barnet
92 82.500 Morecambe

It wouldn't let me copy the link so had to Copy/paste. Like i said, two years out of date so there might be few movers, especially Bournemouth. It also looks like Wimbledon FC and AFC Wimbledon have been counted as one and the same, which is only right really.

 

[Sam Barker]

Interesting to see the comments comparing it to our away atmosphere - harsh truth is that’s also gone right down the pan this season and has been heading that way for a while.

We’ve now got a rep for travelling in big numbers but making zero noise.

 

[chunkymonkey78]

There was a thread about this earlier on in the season, I still think it's a bit of a relegation hangover from us being back in league 2 again.

There are nowhere near as many chants for individual players, for the manager or for the team as there were in DA's first three seasons.

Weird as the football is more entertaining but I did think the Devonport was flat last night and has been all season.

 

[meetoo]

I don’t think the pre match dirge helps in atmosphere building

 

[Devongreenowl]

This issue with atmosphere is happening pretty much everywhere. There isn’t much noise at HP full stop. It’s the same at most grounds these days. Argyle travel in numbers to away games, but the atmosphere has been poor there too. Swindon were very quiet when we went there and as recently as last Saturday, Bradford was dead despite a fairly big crowd, giving Argyle fans the chance to sing the library song with full justification. I used to go to Anfield quite a bit in the 70's and early 80's and can tell you that the atmosphere then was absolutely unbelievable. It’s still decent but nothing like it was.
The atmosphere at my beloved Hillsborough, despite home crowds always being 20k plus, is currently very poor, so I think it’s across the board really. Maybe generational, who knows.

 

[Herts Green]

As pointed out in the Daily Update thread today, we also suffer from having hardly any away fans at home park to help generate an atmosphere.

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

As pointed out in the Daily Update thread today, we also suffer from having hardly any away fans at home park to help generate an atmosphere.

Does that really make a difference? At Selhurst Park we get 2,500 away fans but from the other end you can see they chanting and gesturing but you rarely hear them.

The HF section are behind me and are tremendously loud when you’re beside them but from 20 rows in front of them the sound just doesn’t carry.

If the acoustics of a stadium aren’t right then you need everyone joining in to create a cauldron of sound.

 

[Herts Green]

As pointed out in the Daily Update thread today, we also suffer from having hardly any away fans at home park to help generate an atmosphere.

Does that really make a difference? At Selhurst Park we get 2,500 away fans but from the other end you can see they chanting and gesturing but you rarely hear them.

The HF section are behind me and are tremendously loud when you’re beside them but from 20 rows in front of them the sound just doesn’t carry.

If the acoustics of a stadium aren’t right then you need everyone joining in to create a cauldron of sound.

Yes acoustics make a big difference and HP isn’t great in that regard but it always strikes me that the atmosphere is better when there are more away fans. Maybe that’s just because they tend to just be the bigger, more important games anyway. Interesting point you make about Selhurst, I’ve been in the Arthur Wait Stand 3 or 4 times watching Argyle and the atmosphere always sounded great under the old roof - I guess the sound doesn’t project out to the rest of the ground though.

 

[Guiri Green]

I think that generally, most away fans go home thinking / claiming they've outsung the home lot. Accurate or not, I reckon acoustics have a lot to do with it.