Would you buy an Argyle shirt with a gambling sponsor?

[X Isle]

No. Betting is a mugs game and whilst i'm not a mug, so it wouldn't influence me, I'm getting a bit sick of betting becoming ubiquitous in football.

I see the malignant infiltration of betting companies into football going the same way as the insidious influence TV has come to have. Football is not about TV and betting, it is sooo much more. I wouldn't want football to go the way of horse racing, a 'sport' that seems to be there solely for TV and to support the betting industry.

I love Ginsters as a sponsor, a perfect synergie with our identity. If we switched to a global online betting site what would it say of our identity... just another mercenary sell-out with it's hands in the grubby trough of the gambling world.

No ta :wave:

 

[mervyn]

I’m sure few people would be daft enough to take up gambling just because of advertising on a shirt. However I would never buy such a shirt. Gambling companies do nothing for the economy, simply shifting hard earned wages from losers to winners. They’ve devastated families for whom gambling is an addiction, and what they do bears no relation to sport, other than profiting from outcomes.

£2.3 billion a year towards the economy

10005 jobs

£1.5 billion to good causes by the National Lottery alone.

I could continue but to say it does nothing is utter nonsense and both you and I know that.

Stiffler, look at my response to Andy Holland and tell me where my logic is wrong.

 

[Keepitgreen]

I'm happy with what we got why change it

Ginsters won't always be there.

I have no problem with it. In fact the EFL are sponsored by Sky Bet.

 

[Lesley Somerville]

No

 

[scooterboy]

My heads says no but my heart says yes and rules me head over all things Argyle at least. Not a fan of Ginsters products as such coming from PZ but have shirts with their Logo on even when the red was left in. Don't gamble as such but again this clearly wouldn't stop me having a shirt unless it's was truly awful! I remember payday loan type firms sponsoring other clubs shirts and finding that rather distasteful but again it comes down to pride in the club when wearing it's shirt rather than endorsement by proxy

 

[onthegreen]

No. Betting is a mugs game and whilst i'm not a mug, so it wouldn't influence me, I'm getting a bit sick of betting becoming ubiquitous in football.

I see the malignant infiltration of betting companies into football going the same way as the insidious influence TV has come to have. Football is not about TV and betting, it is sooo much more. I wouldn't want football to go the way of horse racing, a 'sport' that seems to be there solely for TV and to support the betting industry.

I love Ginsters as a sponsor, a perfect synergie with our identity. If we switched to a global online betting site what would it say of our identity... just another mercenary sell-out with it's hands in the grubby trough of the gambling world.

No ta :wave:

This for me! I have never met anyone yet addicted to a Ginsters pasty, but I have met many who became addicted to gambling. Sky sport etc is totally addicted to promoting gambling, knowing full well it will encourage some to have a flutter. Ok the majority will be responsible , but a percentage will get hooked.
I have sat with families, whose kids have no food because the family income has been gambled away. Would I buy a shirt, yes and I would burn it outside of the directors entrance.

 

[X Isle]

No. Betting is a mugs game and whilst i'm not a mug, so it wouldn't influence me, I'm getting a bit sick of betting becoming ubiquitous in football.

I see the malignant infiltration of betting companies into football going the same way as the insidious influence TV has come to have. Football is not about TV and betting, it is sooo much more. I wouldn't want football to go the way of horse racing, a 'sport' that seems to be there solely for TV and to support the betting industry.

I love Ginsters as a sponsor, a perfect synergie with our identity. If we switched to a global online betting site what would it say of our identity... just another mercenary sell-out with it's hands in the grubby trough of the gambling world.

No ta :wave:

This for me! I have never met anyone yet addicted to a Ginsters pasty, but I have met many who became addicted to gambling. Sky sport etc is totally addicted to promoting gambling, knowing full well it will encourage some to have a flutter. Ok the majority will be responsible , but a percentage will get hooked.
I have sat with families, whose kids have no food because the family income has been gambled away. Would I buy a shirt, yes and I would burn it outside of the directors entrance.

Mentioning 'getting hooked' reminds me quite how far things have come from how betting was regarded not so very long ago, It's a 180 degree mindset change and I don't think it's for the better.

When daughter #1 was a new born to kill a bit of time while her mum was shopping I went with her in her pram to fill out one of those weekend football sheets, something I did very occasionally at the time as a bit of fun, to try and pick six home wins.

As well as being unable to advertise by law bookies had to have completely blocked windows (so no-one could see the evil within). As I entered the door, naively as it transpired, the look on the staff's faces was like I had walked in with a sawn off shotgun and a balaclava... "No children" they screamed.

She was ushered out straight away and a female member of staff offered to sit with her outside while I made my bet.

My daughter was a matter of months old, how in the name of all that is holy could she possibly have been influenced to commence a gambling addiction?

She didn't become a gambling addict and that mindset regarding betting at the time was clearly at the puritanical end of the nutty spectrum. Move forward 25 years and she's getting married next month. Any subsequent grandchildren that result will now, by contrast as they grow up, be utterly bombarded with betting adverts through TV, social media, in app adverts and billboards.

The pendulum has swung sooo far the other way it has become just as ridiculous... but waaay more dangerous.

 

[Bermudian Green]

We may as well blame Ginsters for there being little fat kids running around.

You're probably going to be OK if you have a Ginsters pasty or sandwich for lunch every day.

Not when it's over 25% of your daily RDI, is 57% fat (of which half is saturated), and has 50% of the RDI for sodium. If you absolutely have to have a Ginsters, I would recommend restricting it to match days only.

As for a gambling sponsorship, I would have no qualms about it at all.

 

[Keepitgreen]

Anyone boycotted the OS then?

 

[Ollieargyle9]

Wouldn't buy one, wouldn't wear one.

Don't agree with gambling companies, it's a scam preying on the desperate and vulnerable.

I get that some people enjoy the challenge or like having money on a game for extra excitement and that's not for me but these aren't those company's targets. It's those who put a bet on because they are in such dire straights. Companies exploit this desperation (payday loans, gambling), makes my skin crawl.

 

[Green90]

The biggest ethical query is in the shirt production itself, surely?

These kits are produced in sweatshop type factories and yet nobody seems to bat an eyelid. How can that not be the primary dilemma when purchasing these things?

The sponsor is a distant second place, bordering on insignificant.

 

[Mark Jenkin]

Money talks, if a betting company is prepared to pay a lot more than Ginsters I'm sure the club would be interested. As far as shirts are concerned I rarely buy them anyway, other than last season's away design they've been awful since the admin period. It's difficult to get one before Christmas unless you pre order anyway.
As far as betting companies are concerned, the saturation of adverts during Sky and BT games is mind numbing IMHO. Pretty much every add is gambling related, cash outs, odds boosts, and all insisting we gamble responsibly. In 2009 better bet even employed recovering gambling addict Paul Merson as a public face to front their advertising campaign.
I also watch cricket and between every over from Australia we've had Ray Winstone (bet365) Chris Kamara (ladbrokes) a Paddy Power effort, and some blokes bursting bubble wrap (kwiff). Trouble with cricket is you get an ad every 3 minutes, I've seen each and every one of these hundreds of times and frankly it's bleddy getting on my nerves. I'd like to shove that bubble wrap where the sun don't shine lol
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[Biggs]

Anyone boycotted the OS then?

That's the Football League sponsor, and the point of the thread was having it on the shirt.

The shirt is THE symbol of the club for that season, and the sponsor is the biggest logo on it. Never mind thousands of people buying and wearing it.

I wouldn't be happy, but think I'd just about stomach it if it was a Ginsters-esque subtle logo. I would never every buy something like this...

 

[Stiffler]

I’m sure few people would be daft enough to take up gambling just because of advertising on a shirt. However I would never buy such a shirt. Gambling companies do nothing for the economy, simply shifting hard earned wages from losers to winners. They’ve devastated families for whom gambling is an addiction, and what they do bears no relation to sport, other than profiting from outcomes.

£2.3 billion a year towards the economy

10005 jobs

£1.5 billion to good causes by the National Lottery alone.

I could continue but to say it does nothing is utter nonsense and both you and I know that.

Stiffler, look at my response to Andy Holland and tell me where my logic is wrong.

I must have been posting at the time you posted so didn’t see that but having now done so it is still wide of the mark. If you were to do as you say then we would end up with back street casinos, betting shops ect which will just raise the crime and in turn money spent on trying to exterminate something that will never go away, just like the battle on drugs.

Not only does gambling need to be better regulated it needs to be educated better along with other addictions.

 

[X Isle]

Gambling is regulated Stiffler? :shock:

(NB, I know it is but it hardly seems so these days)