Home Park Development (PCC agenda 14th December 2pm)

[Ollieargyle9]

Cool, but I'm still fed up with seeing the impressive stage 2 representation, while no plan actually exists to get stage 2 done.

No mention of the GT bar either? I'd have thought that's a fairly substantial bit of work.

:facepalm:

The plans include phase 2 because it avoids us having to submit more planning applications if/when we can actually fund it.

It would be dishonest to present a visual representation of the final layout without them as it wouldn't indicate the full impact upon the site or the visual impact it has on the Central Park landscape. Just because they're a positive addition for Argyle fans does not necessarily make them good additions for the wider public, they have to be allowed to judge the impact for themselves.

 

[Frank Butcher]

<snip> ... this will fulfil a promise made to some very young skaters who came and gave support when J Brent was applying for planning permission for the original plans.

They'll be down the pub by the time it's finished.

 

[X Isle]

How many diners are "$00" diners?, $00 is not a number.

Says 800 doesn't it?

To those of us with 20-20 vision it certainly appeared that way but further analysis by the Hubble telescope concluded that the '8' was in fact a '$'!
X-'Men' Isle more like!

Anyone know what the actual figure should be?

Bit poor for the plans to go out like that for want of some basic proof reading.

 

[X Isle]

What is the capacity of the Ice Rink. Poster 1 says "minimum number of seats within the rink will be 1,100" but poster 2 says "seating up to 1,100". 1,100 is either a minimum or a maximum, which?

Must be exactly 1,100 then. It's the only number that fits both.

...is one way of looking at it, hardly a coherent consistent message though.

 

[gaspargomez]

Apart from the grandstand, its an OUTLINE application , isn't it ?

That means the details shown on the plans are just rough illustrations of what may or may not be developed. The size and design of the hotel and offices could be subject to a lot of change.

My understanding is that it is a "hybrid" planning application. Detailed plans for the grandstand. Outline proposals for everything else. This is a very unusual approach such applications are very rare.

In my view, the reasons for Brent taking this approach is for two reasons a) to muddy the waters so that people can't easily tell what is really being proposed, and b) to exert pressure on the Council to approve permission for his hotel and offices alongside the grandstand refurbishment.

If Brent was being genuine he would have submitted one application for the grandstand redevelopment (not controversial) and a separate planning application for his hotel, offices and commercial developments.

He's being very sneaky. To put it mildly.

 

[Presto]

I wondered how long before the conspiracy theorists appeared.

 

[HC Green]

Apart from the grandstand, its an OUTLINE application , isn't it ?

That means the details shown on the plans are just rough illustrations of what may or may not be developed. The size and design of the hotel and offices could be subject to a lot of change.

My understanding is that it is a "hybrid" planning application. Detailed plans for the grandstand. Outline proposals for everything else. This is a very unusual approach such applications are very rare.

In my view, the reasons for Brent taking this approach is for two reasons a) to muddy the waters so that people can't easily tell what is really being proposed, and b) to exert pressure on the Council to approve permission for his hotel and offices alongside the grandstand refurbishment.

If Brent was being genuine he would have submitted one application for the grandstand redevelopment (not controversial) and a separate planning application for his hotel, offices and commercial developments.

He's being very sneaky. To put it mildly.

Full planning permission for the Grandstand and Ice Rink, outline permission for the Offices, Food Outlets/Gym and Hotel.

They were done together to save money and also to have planning permission for all of HHP and just not part of it.

 

[gaspargomez]

They were done together to save money and also to have planning permission for all of HHP and just not part of it.

The usual approach would be to have a 'concept plan' for the area and separate panning applications for the detailed and outline components.

Any money saved by submitting a single planning application would be lost as a consequence of delaying the grandstand refurbishment by including it in a far more complex 'hybrid application'.

Its a very unusual approach to take- Brent can't be surprised when people question his motivations for progressing the grandstand refurbishment in this manner.

 

[Daz]

He can be surprised that the supporters of the football club are objecting to his proposals when they are designed to save the club money, create a better stadium than we have and generate money for the future of the club.

The hybrid application has not delayed anything to date, there has been a lot of bluster from people who would object to anything he does, but no delay.

 

[Ollieargyle9]

They were done together to save money and also to have planning permission for all of HHP and just not part of it.

The usual approach would be to have a 'concept plan' for the area and separate panning applications for the detailed and outline components.

Any money saved by submitting a single planning application would be lost as a consequence of delaying the grandstand refurbishment by including it in a far more complex 'hybrid application'.

Its a very unusual approach to take- Brent can't be surprised when people question his motivations for progressing the grandstand refurbishment in this manner.

It was done together to save money for Argyle. The cost of the application is being covered entirely by Akkeron. It's mutually beneficial in that Argyle save money tagging the grandstand onto Akkeron's plans for the wider HHP whilst Akkeron benefit from their plans being combined with the arguably safer Grandstand plan.

If it's turned down as a whole there is a delay but Argyle can go again under our own application. The price of time paid for taking a money saving risk is fairly reasonable IMO.

 

[Ottawa Green]

A published estimate for Plymouth City Council's planning committee to assess the plans for Home Park, Higher Home Park and The Western Gateway proved to be an error

A spokesperson for the council admitted the date was an estimate which should never have been added to the application and there is no new estimate in place for when the plans will be heard.

The planning committee’s next scheduled meeting is December 14 and beyond that January 11, February 8, March 8 and April 5, all of next year.

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/f ... ark-760182

 

[IJN]

That (again) is wrong.

 

[gaspargomez]

An application just for the grandstand refurbishment alone would probably have been approved by now.

 

[IJN]

Perhaps if the AFT and others hadn't objected it would have probably been approved by now.

 

[gaspargomez]

The earlier thread about the planning application showed that there are plenty of people objecting the proposal- and for very valid reasons. No one seems to have a problem with the grandstand. Its all the other crap he wants to build thats the source of these objections.