oldage":xq3r7db5 said:
If you care to note I put a few dots after the topic rather than repeat the whole quote. Knibbsworth and co who always look on the bright side are welcome to their view but I am personally fed up with all the rubbish DA comes out with.Dress it up all you like the table doesn't lie and I think he'll still be saying the same things in March when the inevitable happens.
I don't even consider myself as someone who looks on the bright side to be honest.
Yeah right!
I just happen to despise the culture of the armchair critic who loves to condemn and criticise. So often these people have no thought or solution themselves, and could not have realistically done better themselves, but it does not stop them making personal attacks and enjoying it. I am talking in the vaguest terms here, not restricted to just Argyle or football but local politics, the workplace and everything. People love to moan and criticise, and to assume the position of expert by highlighting the failures or misfortune of others who are trying.
With regards to Argyle, I don't see what you guys think a change in manager is going to realistically achieve. Our players aren't the best, no matter who the manager is. Wylde still lacks end product, Jervis lacks strength, Lameiras lacks physicality, McCormick fears crosses and Fox lacks pace - whether the manager is Adams or Guardiola. Yes they are DA's players, but if he could have afforded better he would have. There's only so much quality £1,000 a week gets you.
There are 24 clubs in league 1, 23 of them manage with the players they have why not us? Even clubs in the top end of league two would give us a pasting so we have not improved 1 iota in fact we’ve gone backwards since last season’s run in and DA could have and should have done better in the close season. He appeared to not even know where he needed to bolster (attacking players BTW).
Each time we lose lately, there are mitigating circumstances. Daft reds, unfair refereeing decisions (Edwards v Oxford). Chances not taken, bizarre goals conceded (Bradford). When we win, fans moan about the poor football and want the manager out, but when Argyle attack with fluidity and create chances and lose, fans say losing again is unacceptable and want the manager out. The reactions to Bradford in the league (winning ugly) and the cup (losing whilst attacking for goals) shows that Adams will have critics short of winning in style like Manchester City. How many teams bottom of the league in December are going to suddenly start winning regularly by three goals with incisive football? It's a stupid burden to place on the manager.
When we win (3 times in 20 ish league games) there are some who believe the tide has turned and we become world beaters (we don’t). The style of Argyle has always been ugly, win, lose or draw which has upset those that wish to see a game of football!
We have had bad luck, but these things are not the fault of the manager. The solution to these things are not found by a change in manager. When the players are dejected, when morale and belief is rock bottom, then you change the manager - but I don't see us there yet. Therefore I don't see the merit in continually highlighting the poor football and the dropped points. Everyone at Argyle is focused, battling and trying, and you can't realistically expect more.
Bad luck or bad discipline? It took the players to sort out the shonky first few games but what about the rest. The rest of this passage is just your opinion which I don’t agree with en bloc. We are not a good side and we have a not good manager that recruited the not good side. He needed two seasons to understand what was needed in league two and when we go down he will have to relearn what he forgets. He does not learn quickly. The dropped points is why we’re so bad FFS what is the point of ignoring it!
In my opinion Argyle are still playing well. The players are trying for Adams. I think the return of Taylor and Threlkeld is potentially massive, and Adams deserves to be judged with the availability of two of his key players. This happens to coincide with a very winnable run of games in the next two months.
The only thing I agree with is Threlkeld and Taylor’s return being massive. Now remind me, who put Oscar into the game against Fleetwood and what was the outcome?
My last point is Argyle have the best chance of picking up points with a culture of positivity and unity, rather than infighting, bitchy comments and polls on whether the manager deserves to lose his job. What kind of constructive behaviour is that?
We are ALL entitled to our opinion. Argue that! I expect Butcher will.
Some fans need a reality check that until the budget is decent, we won't get a broad consistency of decent players throughout the team and won't be a top half side. Diagouraga and Taylor are our only players who have contended for promotion at this level, therefore I can't understand where our base arrogance comes from that we are too big to be involved in a relegation fight? The vast majority of our squad was signed to us in League Two or from other clubs in League Two.
I’ll take a reality check the same time you do. He signed the players and even at this level most clubs have free transfers etc. Who did we last pay money for? Non league at best.
My belief is that Adams will get us out of the relegation mess, but it is going to be a long hard slog. Our best chance of survival is to get behind him and the players and realise everyone is together in the trenches for this.
Fair play to you. My belief is Adams will lie his way to league two making people believe we’re better than we are and just so, so unlucky
