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metroace":1xbzbelc said:
The facilities were not good for that time. But it was compensated by having a wonderful atmosphere at times. Now it's sanitised so poor atmosphere and still poor facilities. Worst of both worlds.
oldage":31zed5f4 said:
That’s. YOU.
:banghead: :banghead:
You seem utterly, utterly incapable of recognising that other people are different. And not just other people in general, but families, women and children who have a completely different set of priorities.
Then again, they’re not ‘real football fans’ so they can f**k off.
Biggs":h3wkuldl said:
You detract from a flawed argument by the use of foul and abusive language.
You did not answer my first question and, as far as facilities are concerned, I will continue to support Argyle, as I have for over 60 years, regardless of facilities.oldage":30cnit66 said:
Perhaps, you could find a recent post that you have made praising something that Argyle have done.
Not many of my ‘croonies’ post on Pasoti.
I acknowledge that the refurbished grandstand will generate extra revenue during the week and have not said anything different.What winds me up is this constant reference to it increasing match day attendances when in reality, IMO ,the football on offer is more important.I cannot see many families wanting to be bored rigid on a Saturday afternoon but I might be wrong.
I wouldn’t believe it either, so I went about asking the relevant people at away matches when I had my Golden Ticket. Believe it or not, without doubt, the facts are there are people out there that will attend matches with better facilities that don’t before hand!
I’m as old school as you old age but (as an example) Chesterfield’s before and after their new ground we’re very much higher. I actually asked people in their corporate area who told me in no uncertain terms that they never thought of attending before the new ground build.
I’m as old school as you old age but (as an example) Chesterfield’s before and after their new ground we’re very much higher. I actually asked people in their corporate area who told me in no uncertain terms that they never thought of attending before the new ground build.
oldage":2ja8kyd5 said:
But that's sort of the point in a nutshell, isn't it? With a really good environment, street food, entertainment, music, good seats, a welcoming atmosphere, good coffee (
) etc etc, the less chance they will be bored.At the moment, we offer football and nothing else. You try to make the whole experience a really good one regardless of the result (obviously you and I only really care about that) and there will be lots of people who really enjoy that whole day out. Especially families, women, children, students, casual fans, even non-football fans who want a good afternoon out at a big 'event'.
Is that fair?
(apologies for the f-word above JAF, it was mean to be flippant rather than foul and abusive. I even censored it myself :greensmile
I often sit at Home Park when we're losing thinking 'its a good job I'm Argyle through & through'. The PA system doesn't work properly, the microphone crackles during the match when it's wet, the floodlights blind us, I've stopped buying hot drinks due to the continual price increases. If I was a casual fan going to my first match, I don't think I'd be tempted to come back.
To be fair to the club, there have been many improvements made but a lot further progress is needed. As the club acknowledge, the maintenance of the horseshoe has been neglected due to our relatively recent administration period.
I just hope the club have the right people in place to successfully make the most of the new facilities. We might have state of the art facilities but we will not generate extra revenue without the right staff. As an example, the company I work for sponsored a match for 3 seasons in a row, giving Argyle a few thousand pounds in the process. The following season, the company were not contacted once to see if they were interested in sponsoring again. This is surely basic customer relationship management!
To be fair to the club, there have been many improvements made but a lot further progress is needed. As the club acknowledge, the maintenance of the horseshoe has been neglected due to our relatively recent administration period.
I just hope the club have the right people in place to successfully make the most of the new facilities. We might have state of the art facilities but we will not generate extra revenue without the right staff. As an example, the company I work for sponsored a match for 3 seasons in a row, giving Argyle a few thousand pounds in the process. The following season, the company were not contacted once to see if they were interested in sponsoring again. This is surely basic customer relationship management!
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It will be interesting to see in 4/5 years time when we are languishing in the bottom of div 4 with all the brand new facilities 15k flag waving fans attending HP not worried about the result.
Biggs":2lzqrui0 said:
But that's sort of the point in a nutshell, isn't it? With a really good environment, street food, entertainment, music, good seats, a welcoming atmosphere, good coffee (
) etc etc, the less chance they will be bored.At the moment, we offer football and nothing else. You try to make the whole experience a really good one regardless of the result (obviously you and I only really care about that) and there will be lots of people who really enjoy that whole day out. Especially families, women, children, students, casual fans, even non-football fans who want a good afternoon out at a big 'event'.
Is that fair?
(apologies for the f-word above JAF, it was mean to be flippant rather than foul and abusive. I even censored it myself :greensmile
[/quObviously out of character Biggs which is why it stood out, reference the enhanced facilities bringing in extra bums on seats, only attractive and sometime winning football will make them returners.
I mostly agree, but I 100% believe there will be many, many people and families who have considered a day out at Argyle when the football IS good, and take a look at the potholed car park, weeds, dilapidated stand and rotting concrete and are put off. No, these aren't 'real football fans' but they are people we want to attend Home Park.
Contrast that with a modern, attractive building maybe with street food and entertainment outside, with a beautiful art deco superstore and landscaped surround and it's just way, way more appealing. The Drake Circus comparison is definitely apt in my view, because it's the same 'sort' change, though not on the same scale.
The difference between 'god that looks grim' and 'wow, that looks really impressive and welcoming' can't be overstated. That goes for fans and players.
I'll shut up now, because I'm boring myself
Contrast that with a modern, attractive building maybe with street food and entertainment outside, with a beautiful art deco superstore and landscaped surround and it's just way, way more appealing. The Drake Circus comparison is definitely apt in my view, because it's the same 'sort' change, though not on the same scale.
The difference between 'god that looks grim' and 'wow, that looks really impressive and welcoming' can't be overstated. That goes for fans and players.
I'll shut up now, because I'm boring myself
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You’re an inspiration Dunlop. Christmas is coming, see if you can put a little something at least in your glass and perhaps invite Oldage around to share it.
