The development was as big as could fit into the space available. So it was never likely to expand.The Grumpy Loyal":zro38jre said:Bristol Rich":zro38jre said:The Grumpy Loyal":zro38jre said:IJN":zro38jre said:Yep I agree mate.
Let's pick the next one in that long queue or the one after or ........ Oh hang on!!
A week is a long time in football let alone five years. Even by his own admission, there are inquiries on a regular basis.
I don't know what Brent is telling you, but if you think he won't sell up once he has the Freehold and possibly a new planning permission in place, you're painfully naive.
He just needs to go BEFORE attempting to build any sort of excuse for a grandstand.
Then I'll be happy.
I guess with such an expert business brain and such a great insight into what's best with the club you must be a millionaire or certainly connected to millionaires?
It does actually shock me how easily led, easily pleased, and painfully uninformed some people still are.
James Brent wanted to build a 4,100 stand (plan A) later squeezing that (plan B) to a 4,800 stand. Boxed in, with no scope to EVER expand. IMO this would be horrendously BAD for the long term future and prosperity of PAFC. You may disagree but if you do I find that odd.
4,800 is LESS than the Lyndhurst stand opposite. That for me is laughable for a club of our potential with ANY aspirations. You may disagree, but if you do I find that odd.
All rental income (for the units he was ultimately unable to sell) was to go to Akkeron, NOT PAFC. Again, catastrophically BAD for PAFC in the long term. You may disagree, but if you do I find that odd.
After being asked, lobbied, and in some quarters virtually begged for a commitment to a purpose built dedicated supporters bar, Brent still would not add that to his plan. This for me showed a level of contempt for the ordinary fans amongst us that was wholely distasteful. Once again you may disagree, but.....
For me there are a few on these Boards who would, for reasons known only to them, willingly follow Brent off the edge of a cliff if he were inclined to walk that way. People who clearly put Brent getting what he wants over the best interests of PAFC. Well I'm very sorry, but I want better for PAFC's long term future, and the sooner Brent makes his money and vacates, the better.
Remembering that it had to co exist with the commercial stuff that had to pay for it plus thespace for our
conferencing within it. If we had a multi millionaire with argyle at heart then sure i would expect like
you to get a better stand than what we got as nothing commercial would then be required. JB is no multi
millionaire. For me expansion would always have had to come elsewhere. That leaves the demport unless the whole
horseshoe could be redeveloped. Remembering that we would likely have loads more to spend than on the original
horseshoe if we ever made the promised land.
20k is not enough compared to our historic attendances for sure but this is all seater now. Its a different era.
Crowds of 20k plus for us are not so forthcoming now even doing well in the 2nd tier recently. So are they needed?
If we ever did have a successful spell in tier 2 with capacity crowds realising a profit we could then do mods or
refurbs on the horseshoe to incrementally increase the capacity as we succeed. Railseats hopefully to the fore.
If HHP had been completed with HP reterraced again we could easily have matched our historic attendances of
up to 30k so the stadium size as a whole would have been good compared to old HP. That should be remembered when
talking of size and capacity.
The HHP income for argyle was always going to come from conferencing facilities. Sandy park for eg. It hasnt
been catastophically bad for them it would seem. More like the opposite.
The lobbying for a supporters bar i cannot comment on as i do not know enough about it from both sides of the
argument. I would have thought if there were spare units available then a commercially run far post club would
have been a welcome option in the plans.
Nah. I aint no sheep mate. If i could see in him what you see then maybe i would see the same hatred that i had
for gardner and todd. Dont see it though. Neither do many others including at board level. Whose judgement i
respect and take into account in all this.
Sorry just dont get this brent out stuff at the moment. If that makes me a bit odd to you ok thats just fine.
We both want whats best for argyle in the end. Honest.
I just want us to be a bit more positive, as DA would say, to get the club moving forward off the pitch as well
as on it.