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GreenSam":2y668huh said:
In both of those instances there were behind the scenes scheming ongoing at that time.
My own opinion of the team is that they're easily good enough to get out of this league, however, the tactics are holding then back.
It's a game of opinions and that's mine
GreenSam":519ih1u5 said:
In both of those instances there were behind the scenes scheming ongoing at that time.
My own opinion of the team is that they're easily good enough to get out of this league, however, the tactics are holding then back.
It's a game of opinions and that's mine
Fair enough I'm just responding to your question too.Pilgrim_Joe":rc9olhul said:
I agree that there was probably dodgy stuff going on at Leeds behind the scenes (is there ever not?) but at Southend? Yes they've had a few financial problems but that's partly because they've spent so much on players in the first place. Even in spite of that, there's certainly been absolutely no evidence that I've ever heard of from anywhere that 'scheming' was going on anyway. Right now Southend are in a very healthy state and set to build a new stadium of a capacity well over 20,000- they just weren't really doing all that well under Luggy. Not that they're doing amazingly under Phil Clown either but then he's just a poor manager who had one good year his whole career with Hull.
Why are people accusing those who are backing Sheridan of having no ambition and accepting mediocrity? I don't want to forever be a mid-table 4th tier team, I want success as much as everyone else, but I am aware that success will not come instantly, when he took over his aim was to keep us up, he was succesful, this year his target should have been to consolidate, he has also achieved this. If this time next season we are in a similar position then his position should come into question but for crying out loud calling for his head is utter stupidity.
Deacster":30rvjzmo said:
Just as a matter of interest, can you recall which way you voted ?
Pre Season Poll
Hi Frank
I voted for play offs and despite the indifferent middle I always believed that was very achievable.
The impression I get, rightly or wrongly is that the winning formula was stumbled upon.
If as now looks probable we don't make it this year - does anyone think we would be genuine contenders for automatic next year with the same setup?
I voted for play offs and despite the indifferent middle I always believed that was very achievable.
The impression I get, rightly or wrongly is that the winning formula was stumbled upon.
If as now looks probable we don't make it this year - does anyone think we would be genuine contenders for automatic next year with the same setup?
Mid-table if I recall correctly, so I should be a happy camper but not so. For me it's not where we are, but the general feel. If you said to me in Aug we would be in with a shout of the play offs I would have bitten your hand up but the football is just so very poor I'm far from happy. Being honest.Frank_Butcher":mp41fv86 said:
Wasn't quite your belief last Septmber thoughgaspargomez":2w7slcje said:
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It's too early to judge sheridan. Give the man a chance.
There was a post about sturrock and warnock being available (not by me) which the moderators deleted from this board. I am a fan of those managers, who are outstanding, but it would be foolish to consider sacking Sheridan before he has a proper chance to impose himself. He deserves a full season. The club needs stability after recent seasons of chaos
Just before I start, I don't want to be labelled as some sort of Adrian Durham-style sycophant who won't allow any questioning of the management. I can and I will question the management when I feel it is necessary and I do think that there are occasions when managers just need to depart. These are just the honest views that I hold on our situation, having had time to think it over during the weekend.
I don't think we're down the sh*tter like a lot seem to.
We've suffered a bad run of form. We've have bottled it in big games in front of big crowds, especially at home. Sheridan, at times, has shown an infuriating stubbornness and made some tactical decisions that can only be described as baffling. I'm not saying that he's a flawless manager, because his flaws, namely his lack of a plan B, are easy to spot. I do however think that overall Sheridan's done a good job, and we should be looking forward with (cautious) optimism, rather than the incessant pessimism that crawls over this site.
Most of the fanbase at the start of the season wanted a quiet season of stability - that's what we're almost certainly going to get. We've flirted with the play-offs, probably going to come just short and now some want him gone. I don't doubt that some of the people who want him to go are the same that would, at the start of the season, have taken a 10th place finish. We all say things in the heat of the moment that we regret - I think it's better to take a moment, pause and look at the bigger picture. Sheridan's taken a club that's been infected with a culture of losing for god-knows-how-long and turned them into a decent outfit, closer to promotion than relegation, more good than bad. As Portsmouth have shown, it's not just as easy as "we've got a big budget, go and get us the title". Besides which, I doubt our budget is quite on the level of Chesterfield, Pompey or Oxford.
Yes, next season we should be aiming for top seven at the very least, and if we finish outside of that then there's something seriously wrong either in the dugout or in the boardroom and Sheridan may have to depart. But Sheridan's overcome most of his hurdles so far and deserves the chance to try and get us up next term. Sheridan successfully steered us to safety last campaign and he's astutely guided us to a safe, upper-mid-table position in this. He's proven he can take teams up from this league before - he might not be able to do so with Argyle but he deserves a go at it.
I would certainly feel more comfortable with Sheridan at the helm than Warnock or Sturrock. I don't doubt that either of the latter two care deeply about the club and love the region, but they're outdated. Most sides in League Two aren't hoof-and-hope any more, including us. We have bad games but on our day we're a slick side to watch - both Warnock and Sturrock's styles are more boring to watch than Sheridan's. The way I see it, thanks for the past, like both on a personal level but I'd rather move on without someone who thinks Michael Brown is an adequate replacement for Jonny Howson.
Moving onto criticism of the players. Some have been saying we need to rebuild: I don't agree. The spine of the team is solid and mostly young: Hourihane, Young, Alessandra, Nelson, Parsons, McCormick, Banton (if he gets his act together next season). We have decent squad players and hungry youngsters like Purrington, Cole, Lane, Harvey and Blanchard waiting in the wings. We do have some deadwood and Sheridan does have to take some blame bringing in players like Boco, Morgan and Trotman, but clear that out, get a few quality players in and we're a promotion-contending outfit. I see rebuilding as clearing out virtually everyone and starting again. This core, while admittedly inconsistent, has got us to the edge of the play-offs. I'd say what we need to do is 'retool'.
Sorry for the very long post (must be turning into GreenSam!) - I just felt like I had to get this off my chest before I went to bed. I know some will deride me as a happy-clapper 'green tint' but I think I'm just a pragmatist. 'You're never as good as you think you are after you win, but you're never as bad as you think you are after you lose'.
I don't think we're down the sh*tter like a lot seem to.
We've suffered a bad run of form. We've have bottled it in big games in front of big crowds, especially at home. Sheridan, at times, has shown an infuriating stubbornness and made some tactical decisions that can only be described as baffling. I'm not saying that he's a flawless manager, because his flaws, namely his lack of a plan B, are easy to spot. I do however think that overall Sheridan's done a good job, and we should be looking forward with (cautious) optimism, rather than the incessant pessimism that crawls over this site.
Most of the fanbase at the start of the season wanted a quiet season of stability - that's what we're almost certainly going to get. We've flirted with the play-offs, probably going to come just short and now some want him gone. I don't doubt that some of the people who want him to go are the same that would, at the start of the season, have taken a 10th place finish. We all say things in the heat of the moment that we regret - I think it's better to take a moment, pause and look at the bigger picture. Sheridan's taken a club that's been infected with a culture of losing for god-knows-how-long and turned them into a decent outfit, closer to promotion than relegation, more good than bad. As Portsmouth have shown, it's not just as easy as "we've got a big budget, go and get us the title". Besides which, I doubt our budget is quite on the level of Chesterfield, Pompey or Oxford.
Yes, next season we should be aiming for top seven at the very least, and if we finish outside of that then there's something seriously wrong either in the dugout or in the boardroom and Sheridan may have to depart. But Sheridan's overcome most of his hurdles so far and deserves the chance to try and get us up next term. Sheridan successfully steered us to safety last campaign and he's astutely guided us to a safe, upper-mid-table position in this. He's proven he can take teams up from this league before - he might not be able to do so with Argyle but he deserves a go at it.
I would certainly feel more comfortable with Sheridan at the helm than Warnock or Sturrock. I don't doubt that either of the latter two care deeply about the club and love the region, but they're outdated. Most sides in League Two aren't hoof-and-hope any more, including us. We have bad games but on our day we're a slick side to watch - both Warnock and Sturrock's styles are more boring to watch than Sheridan's. The way I see it, thanks for the past, like both on a personal level but I'd rather move on without someone who thinks Michael Brown is an adequate replacement for Jonny Howson.
Moving onto criticism of the players. Some have been saying we need to rebuild: I don't agree. The spine of the team is solid and mostly young: Hourihane, Young, Alessandra, Nelson, Parsons, McCormick, Banton (if he gets his act together next season). We have decent squad players and hungry youngsters like Purrington, Cole, Lane, Harvey and Blanchard waiting in the wings. We do have some deadwood and Sheridan does have to take some blame bringing in players like Boco, Morgan and Trotman, but clear that out, get a few quality players in and we're a promotion-contending outfit. I see rebuilding as clearing out virtually everyone and starting again. This core, while admittedly inconsistent, has got us to the edge of the play-offs. I'd say what we need to do is 'retool'.
Sorry for the very long post (must be turning into GreenSam!) - I just felt like I had to get this off my chest before I went to bed. I know some will deride me as a happy-clapper 'green tint' but I think I'm just a pragmatist. 'You're never as good as you think you are after you win, but you're never as bad as you think you are after you lose'.
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Deacster":ueymg1e2 said:
Certainly nothing weird about it old cock-it's just so fudgeing obvious that every time Argyle lose,you come on and launch a diatribe against Sheridan.I don't think there's anything especially weird either about remembering that we had some strong arguments about the merits and demerits of Fletcher during his reign and subsequent sacking but if that is so,then i agree that i would appear to be an obsessive,stalking creep.
Now that's been sorted out,still puzzled that a manager who has taken the club from the pits of the division to the edge of the play offs can apparently have no good qualities whereas the previous manager,who was taking the club to places it had never been before,such as Hyde,Alfreton and Salisbury,apparently had plenty but, as you say,hey-ho.
Agree with the above. Just because Fletcher had a connection with the supporters that Sheridan doesn't should absolutely not cloud our opinions when making judgments on their managerial ability. I desperately wanted Fletcher to succeed and defended him right up until his final game but after that defeat it became evident that we were heading into the conference without change. People have short memories- CF's final 15 games saw us win ONE and also included a terrific 1-0 defeat to the mighty Dorchester. And remember who signed Gilmartin, Rhys Griffiths, Cowan-Hall, Lowry etc. The reality is we have improved immeasurably in the past 16 months and if we (hopefully) continue that trend we will be in League 1 by 2015..... :think:
Frazer Lloyd-Davies":9s7lw05p said:
I'm not sure how you can say our aim this season was to avoid a relegation scrap?? That's a poor argument that you can't back up.
Secondly he hasn't had a rubbish season but he certainly has not had a brilliant season. In my whole time of supporting Argyle there has only been 2 brilliant seasons. (25 years plus btw)
