Grandstand cost to rise

[DartPilgrim]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Why?

Why? Really?

In the simplest of terms, if contracts had all been signed and everything was ready to go after our last home game, everything could have been started in earnest, last week.

Is that difficult to understand?

Of course now, a contractor is allegedly going to be put under pressure with deadline-based financial penalty clauses. Have a wild stab in the dark about what contractors do when faced with the prospect of financial penalties??

Looks like you've already had a wild stable in the dark. Can't wait to see your views on the retained list.

 

[Army green]

The inclusion and the cost of the roof isn’t new news though is it? Pretty sure I’ve read this before. So the cost rising in this instance is a positive. I’m no expert in this field but a slight delay in a construction project is hardly surprising. On the whole I think it’s all sounding pretty positive.

 

[The Grumpy Loyal]

The extra cost of the roof has been known since last June and will be funded by the directors.

Club website

Who writes these headlines for the Herald?

I remember the bit about the new roof and the extra £1m from months and months ago, as PL2 says. And I'm not following every twist and turn of the story. Bizarre.

It’s a poor attempt at attributing in a round about way the further delay to the roof, which of course as you say has been reported on and even costed months ago.

Smoke and Mirrors.

 

[Guiri Green]

As has been said, the extra costs for the roof aren't exactly an undercover reporting scoop are they ? As dissapointing as that is for those that will be tapping away on their keypads in outrage or smug I told you so commenting, tell us something we didnt know.

There's already the enabler signed to allow the prep work that appears to have started. It's a dissapointment that the man contract isnt signed already but it doesn't mean it wont be. I'd rather the work start later than I expected than not at all. The 2020 stuff or not being completely ready by the original provisional dates doesnt bother me in the slightest. As long as it's done drekkly.

This thread will now fill up with the rehashed cliches and phrases from other media sites as people point score or try to look this months 'cool'. None of it will change anything regarding the build.

Life sucks, or it doesn't.

 

[tonsk]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Why?

Why? Really?

In the simplest of terms, if contracts had all been signed and everything was ready to go after our last home game, everything could have been started in earnest, last week.

Is that difficult to understand?

Of course now, a contractor is allegedly going to be put under pressure with deadline-based financial penalty clauses. Have a wild stab in the dark about what contractors do when faced with the prospect of financial penalties??

And if we had made the play-offs?
"We want you to start work after our last game, fixed price contract with penalty clauses, sign here please. Oh btw, we might need to delay that for a few weeks if we make the play off places, is that ok?" Have a wild stab in the dark about what the contractor would have said?
Not only that, but when would the specialist work that is taking place now have happened?

I would imagine that the signing is actually for the final spec anyway rather than start date which would have been discussed and agreed upon beforehand.



tonsk

 

[The Grumpy Loyal]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Why?

Why? Really?

In the simplest of terms, if contracts had all been signed and everything was ready to go after our last home game, everything could have been started in earnest, last week.

Is that difficult to understand?

Of course now, a contractor is allegedly going to be put under pressure with deadline-based financial penalty clauses. Have a wild stab in the dark about what contractors do when faced with the prospect of financial penalties??

And if we had made the play-offs?
"We want you to start work after our last game, fixed price contract with penalty clauses, sign here please. Oh btw, we might need to delay that for a few weeks if we make the play off places, is that ok?" Have a wild stab in the dark about what the contractor would have said?
Not only that, but when would the specialist work that is taking place now have happened?

I would imagine that the signing is actually for the final spec anyway rather than start date which would have been discussed and agreed upon beforehand.



tonsk

The play-off thing may have been relevant if contract signing was imminent and timed around now - i.e. around the time of last Home game/playoff game. But it’s not, is it? At best it’s weeks away, so was never a consideration that even had to be made.

As far as spec goes. Well that takes me back to the actual realities of what happens when a contractor is facing the prospect of deadline-based financial penalties.

 

[tonsk]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Why?

Why? Really?

In the simplest of terms, if contracts had all been signed and everything was ready to go after our last home game, everything could have been started in earnest, last week.

Is that difficult to understand?

Of course now, a contractor is allegedly going to be put under pressure with deadline-based financial penalty clauses. Have a wild stab in the dark about what contractors do when faced with the prospect of financial penalties??

And if we had made the play-offs?
"We want you to start work after our last game, fixed price contract with penalty clauses, sign here please. Oh btw, we might need to delay that for a few weeks if we make the play off places, is that ok?" Have a wild stab in the dark about what the contractor would have said?
Not only that, but when would the specialist work that is taking place now have happened?

I would imagine that the signing is actually for the final spec anyway rather than start date which would have been discussed and agreed upon beforehand.



tonsk

The play-off thing may have been relevant if contract signing was imminent and timed around now - i.e. around the time of last Home game/playoff game. But it’s not, is it? At best it’s weeks away, so was never a consideration that even had to be made.

Then I think you've answered your own question. The timeline was not set for now, probably for the afformentioned specialist work (asbestos etc.). Maybe they are busy finishing another job?

I am arguing with you not knowing any facts just as you are with me. Why not just leave it to the project manager and contractor to sort out and wait for the thing to happen? They have until August 2019 to complete.


tonsk

 

[The Grumpy Loyal]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Why?

Why? Really?

In the simplest of terms, if contracts had all been signed and everything was ready to go after our last home game, everything could have been started in earnest, last week.

Is that difficult to understand?

Of course now, a contractor is allegedly going to be put under pressure with deadline-based financial penalty clauses. Have a wild stab in the dark about what contractors do when faced with the prospect of financial penalties??

And if we had made the play-offs?
"We want you to start work after our last game, fixed price contract with penalty clauses, sign here please. Oh btw, we might need to delay that for a few weeks if we make the play off places, is that ok?" Have a wild stab in the dark about what the contractor would have said?
Not only that, but when would the specialist work that is taking place now have happened?

I would imagine that the signing is actually for the final spec anyway rather than start date which would have been discussed and agreed upon beforehand.



tonsk

The play-off thing may have been relevant if contract signing was imminent and timed around now - i.e. around the time of last Home game/playoff game. But it’s not, is it? At best it’s weeks away, so was never a consideration that even had to be made.

Then I think you've answered your own question. The timeline was not set for now, probably for the afformentioned specialist work (asbestos etc.). Maybe they are busy finishing another job?

I am arguing with you not knowing any facts just as you are with me. Why not just leave it to the project manager and contractor to sort out and wait for the thing to happen? They have until August 2019 to complete.


tonsk

Not really arguing are we? It’s quite civilised I thought.

An actual fact though is Brent stated that if ground wasn’t broken on the refurb by the end of March, he’d be massively disappointed. At the very earliest that is now months behind. Along with the GT thing. And the new electronic screen.

The theme is recurring.

Any independent-thinking person would call into question the level of competence with such a recurring theme on multiple ‘projects’.

 

[Stan]

Similarly those who hang on JBs every word would have tainted opinions. From the outside and with little of the much vaunted transparency promised from the owner some years ago in evidence, speculation and doubt will inevitably arise, particularly when mooted schedules are regularly passed without any evident progress.

 

[Argyle Casual]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Remind me what your experience is in the construction industry? Unless it's extensive , you're not qualified to comment on whether that's usual or not.

And what is your experience in the professional Football industry? I suspect that it is exactly the same as mine.....none!

Does this mean that we are unable to comment on anything football related also?

 

[the corkscrew]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Remind me what your experience is in the construction industry? Unless it's extensive , you're not qualified to comment on whether that's usual or not.

And what is your experience in the professional Football industry? I suspect that it is exactly the same as mine.....none!

Does this mean that we are unable to comment on anything football related also?

You saying commenting on footballers kicking a ball around is the same as speculating about a complex construction project ? No, didn't think you were.

 

[xmastree]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Remind me what your experience is in the construction industry? Unless it's extensive , you're not qualified to comment on whether that's usual or not.

And what is your experience in the professional Football industry? I suspect that it is exactly the same as mine.....none!

Does this mean that we are unable to comment on anything football related also?

You saying commenting on footballers kicking a ball around is the same as speculating about a complex construction project ? No, didn't think you were.

Inevitably costs will rise. It would be more surprising if the headline was "Grandstand cost won't rise".

 

[Argyle Casual]

With the amount of time since planning was granted, to not even have a main contractor signed up at this stage is a massive error. Simple as that.

Remind me what your experience is in the construction industry? Unless it's extensive , you're not qualified to comment on whether that's usual or not.

And what is your experience in the professional Football industry? I suspect that it is exactly the same as mine.....none!

Does this mean that we are unable to comment on anything football related also?

You saying commenting on footballers kicking a ball around is the same as speculating about a complex construction project ? No, didn't think you were.

Complex construction project? are we talking about the same site? Its an extension, a new roof and a few new seats. hardly a pioneering example of construction which will rival the Burj Al Arab.

Please co not feel like I am playing down the project though. I am more than happy with what is going on at Home Park at the moment. I just fail to buy into the complexity of the project which others have posted :thumbs:

 

[Kentishgreen]

Of course anyone bothered enough to look at the pictures on GOS would know that preparations had already started. But let’s not let truth get in the way of conspiracy

 

[IJN]

Best let them get on with the moaning mate, it's what they do.

Meanwhile there are those of us who trust people. Nothing wrong with that.