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Manchester Green":ecu1xunr said:
Its hardly delusional - it is the natural level of this football club. The biggest city never to have had top flight football!
How many decades will this stand last? It will almost certainly see 2nd tier football, so any design that isnt preparing for the CCC is short sighted, IMO
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Greenskin
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The meeting today confirmed that the scheme as it stands is barely viable enough to provide the budget for the stand as designed and the only realistic way for the stand to be enlarged is for the Ice Rink to be built on Cottage Field. This would both free up space and provide additional development to fund the increased capacity. The PAFC board are not inclined to do this they consider the grassed areas of Central Park to be sacrosanct irrespective of the fact Cottage Field is zoned for development within the Central Park Action Plan and they also envisage political opposition from Friends of Central Park among others. This is what it simply boils down to. If we want the increased capacity we fans have to chose whether we want developmental in Cottage Field and if so seek to persuade James Brent and his board to overcome their reservations and amend the scheme.
The other significant piece of information was the projected income expected to be generated by the new stand. JB put this figure, based upon an independent consultant's report, to be £1m pa, one third from sponsorship etc, one third from revenue from the hospitality facilities and one third from increased attendance, attracted by the new stand. With these figures in mind I suggest anybody with thoughts of "blocking" the scheme abandon them.
Mark Jones, the architect for the scheme did a presentation which included details of how the Horseshoe could be expanded reasonably easily to provide an extra 2,500 seats at an estimated cost of £2.5m which JB explained would be viable, with the cost being recovered within 2/3 years if there was demand for the extra capacity. Mark also describe another possibility which would give an extra tier to the Lyndhurst giving an extra 4,500 seats but at a cost of £9m which unless we get to the Premier League would not be viable.
The proposed capacity as it stands, subject to final tweaking, is 17,700.
The other significant piece of information was the projected income expected to be generated by the new stand. JB put this figure, based upon an independent consultant's report, to be £1m pa, one third from sponsorship etc, one third from revenue from the hospitality facilities and one third from increased attendance, attracted by the new stand. With these figures in mind I suggest anybody with thoughts of "blocking" the scheme abandon them.
Mark Jones, the architect for the scheme did a presentation which included details of how the Horseshoe could be expanded reasonably easily to provide an extra 2,500 seats at an estimated cost of £2.5m which JB explained would be viable, with the cost being recovered within 2/3 years if there was demand for the extra capacity. Mark also describe another possibility which would give an extra tier to the Lyndhurst giving an extra 4,500 seats but at a cost of £9m which unless we get to the Premier League would not be viable.
The proposed capacity as it stands, subject to final tweaking, is 17,700.
£2.5 million for the extra seating sounds fairly viable Esmer, but also surprisingly cheap so I hope that figure is accurate. If that figure is accurate it has allayed some of my concerns.
My question would be whether there is any way of raising the funds for the £2.5 million now and get the whole thing done proper job, rather than waiting another decade for "phase 3"?
My question would be whether there is any way of raising the funds for the £2.5 million now and get the whole thing done proper job, rather than waiting another decade for "phase 3"?
Does anyone else find this worrying/strange?esmer":2ylleq31 said:
No revenue from retail units, bars, restaurants, anything new???
Sponsorship?
hospitality?
"one third from increased attendance, attracted by the new stand"!!!! WTF! Are we stupid!
Sorry but this still looks a stitch up to me, :wtf:
Greenblooded1":2s9k6leb said:
Bars and restaurants in the stand, yes, surely?
I think the 'no revenue from retail' answer John Lloyd mentioned earlier was specifically for the externally accessed retail units, of which we will have only the club shop. Can't see function room, bar, banqueting, conferencing and kiosk revenue going anywhere else but the club.
Sorry for shamelessly copying and pasting from another thread I posted on but;
Image 12 of 63 on the 3rd set (from the New Stand Consultation photos) has re-assured me to a certain extent.
It shows how the horseshoe could be extended to incorporate 4,500 additional seats. It looks like it would entail a continuous 'shelf' running around and above the existing stands. Would look odd but at least it would provide the capacity that a lot of commenters seem to think we need right now if ever we should rise up the leagues.
Image 12 of 63 on the 3rd set (from the New Stand Consultation photos) has re-assured me to a certain extent.
It shows how the horseshoe could be extended to incorporate 4,500 additional seats. It looks like it would entail a continuous 'shelf' running around and above the existing stands. Would look odd but at least it would provide the capacity that a lot of commenters seem to think we need right now if ever we should rise up the leagues.
I don't really know where this 'can't be extended' assertion came from in these last two weeks anyway. It was common knowledge in 2001 and it was in the plans released for the HHP development.
23,500 (the honourable Mr. Lloyd's figure given earlier from the meeting) is a more than suitable potential capacity.
23,500 (the honourable Mr. Lloyd's figure given earlier from the meeting) is a more than suitable potential capacity.
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Monkey Nuts
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