Paul H":112gfbn0 said:We're a multi-million pound business that pays individuals thousands a week. Why are we relying on unpaid labour?
Willis88":3zz16qb3 said:Paul H":3zz16qb3 said:We're a multi-million pound business that pays individuals thousands a week. Why are we relying on unpaid labour?
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Paul H":2s52savd said:Willis88":2s52savd said:Paul H":2s52savd said:We're a multi-million pound business that pays individuals thousands a week. Why are we relying on unpaid labour?
:facepalm:
Please explain.
Having read the other responses to this initiative, Willis88 was probably thinking “There’s always one”.Willis88":267v7411 said:Paul H":267v7411 said:We're a multi-million pound business that pays individuals thousands a week. Why are we relying on unpaid labour?
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Ottawa Green":3h9esqb3 said:Here is some photos taken on the day of cleaning Bobby's garden,https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2019/july/day-of-action-july-7-2019/ there are no captions, but i'm sure on some other photos there was mention that now it was cleaned up there was going to be professional company come in and spray everything to kill the weeds.
davie nine":1j5mazx8 said:Having read the other responses to this initiative, Willis88 was probably thinking “There’s always one”.Willis88":1j5mazx8 said:Paul H":1j5mazx8 said:We're a multi-million pound business that pays individuals thousands a week. Why are we relying on unpaid labour?
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Edit: Just read his very clear and commendable response.
Willis88":1c9ftkvv said:Paul H":1c9ftkvv said:Willis88":1c9ftkvv said:Paul H":1c9ftkvv said:We're a multi-million pound business that pays individuals thousands a week. Why are we relying on unpaid labour?
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Please explain.
For a start it's not free labour, the club supplied food and a free ticket to those who attended.
People want to give up their time, I get that. However, bacon sanwiches (GTs?) and tickets to a friendly will cost less than the use of a professional company that could have carried out the same tasks to,more likely, higher standards.
Secondly, a club is more than just the business, fans act and feel like owners, they like to contribute. You might argue that's the club exploiting the fans, the rest of us would suggest that's the club opening up to those who are interested and willing to give up their free time to make the environment of all who attend more comfortable and cleaner.
No body mentioned the word 'exploitation' but I'm curious where your confidence comes from to use the term 'rest of us?' A club quite clearly is, first and foremost, a business. I would've hoped that administration a few years ago would've proved that. Making the environment comfortable and cleaner is indeed the right thing to do as was needed. However, that's surely part and parcel of any business that wants to attract new customers.
Yes, the club could pay a professional outfit, but then the next thing people would be crying out for would be more players and the thousands spent on these professionals would be "wasted" and "unnessary".
I don't see how you come to this conclusion. Are you saying that the Club should regularly ask fans to carry out other tasks around the ground just to avoid criticism?
The club is engaging with the fans, opening the doors, communicating better and all of this should be promoted, to remove the negativity and making everyone feel welcome, valued and engaged.
Things are being run well from what I can observe and I'm grateful for it. I'm just not sure how getting fans in to carry out tasks that professionals can do better increases feelings of value and engagement.
I wasn't able to attend due to family commitments, however if I was available I would have gone, because I'm a mug but because I would have wanted to contribute to the community.
Genuinely not here to berate those that took part but more to question the Club's initial intent.
Thanks
Paul H":ydxrencv said:Willis88":ydxrencv said:Paul H":ydxrencv said:Willis88":ydxrencv said:Paul H":ydxrencv said:We're a multi-million pound business that pays individuals thousands a week. Why are we relying on unpaid labour?
:facepalm:
Please explain.People want to give up their time, I get that. However, bacon sanwiches (GTs?) and tickets to a friendly will cost less than the use of a professional company that could have carried out the same tasks to,more likely, higher standards.For a start it's not free labour, the club supplied food and a free ticket to those who attended.
Secondly, a club is more than just the business, fans act and feel like owners, they like to contribute. You might argue that's the club exploiting the fans, the rest of us would suggest that's the club opening up to those who are interested and willing to give up their free time to make the environment of all who attend more comfortable and cleaner.
No body mentioned the word 'exploitation' but I'm curious where your confidence comes from to use the term 'rest of us?' A club quite clearly is, first and foremost, a business. I would've hoped that administration a few years ago would've proved that. Making the environment comfortable and cleaner is indeed the right thing to do as was needed. However, that's surely part and parcel of any business that wants to attract new customers.
Yes, the club could pay a professional outfit, but then the next thing people would be crying out for would be more players and the thousands spent on these professionals would be "wasted" and "unnessary".
I don't see how you come to this conclusion. Are you saying that the Club should regularly ask fans to carry out other tasks around the ground just to avoid criticism?
The club is engaging with the fans, opening the doors, communicating better and all of this should be promoted, to remove the negativity and making everyone feel welcome, valued and engaged.
Things are being run well from what I can observe and I'm grateful for it. I'm just not sure how getting fans in to carry out tasks that professionals can do better increases feelings of value and engagement.
I wasn't able to attend due to family commitments, however if I was available I would have gone, because I'm a mug but because I would have wanted to contribute to the community.
Genuinely not here to berate those that took part but more to question the Club's initial intent.
Thanks