Sarcevic to Salford?

[Knibbsworth]

you say Salford have the money but i am sure i heard that horrible man gary neville say they were skint the other day.

In terms of income and expenditure they will be skint. Take Lim and the 92 away and they would instantly cease to be viable.

FWIW I really like Gary Neville for being a straight talker and passionate football fan. I don't like Salford because of the approach they've taken, but buying your local club with a few mates and watching them rise up through the divisions would be an irresistible experience for most football fans. If myself and a few mates had eight figures between us we'd take Argyle all the way to the Premier League and wouldn't give a stuff what anyone said.

The whole class of 92 buying Salford is all rather plastic in my opinion, the Neville brothers are from Bury, Scholes is from Oldham, Butt is from Gorton (South Manchester), what affinity do they all actually have with the city of Salford? It would be like a group of wealthy ex Argyle players born near Plymouth and a Multi Billionaire Sugar Daddy (who has zero connection with the town) buying say; Saltash United and bankrolling them to the league.
For the average Premier League supporting, Sun reader, Talk Sport listener (Newscorp) who have little knowledge or respect for the football league it’s a nice story they would consider romantic. In my opinion it is far from that and Salford buying the league two 20/21 season in my opinion is anti football.

Totally agree.

For what it is worth Kersie, I would rather Argyle be what they are than have a foreign owner with far more money than they need in life, throwing a bit of their disposable wealth at us in some vanity project. Sadly the above just about captures the spirit of the entire Premier League these days. It has become Formula 1 with a bag of air, owners, managers, players, physios, specialists from every corner of the globe, throwing money at whatever it takes to get an edge.

If football goes back to its roots next season, and many teams have to look at their academy to support the first team with a wage cap put in place, it could make for a much better more honest game in my opinion.

 

[WoodsyGreen]

I'm sure Bournemouth fans have absolutely hated the last few years and pine for the days of travelling to Rochdale and Macclesfield.

 

[Devongreenowl]

I'm sure Bournemouth fans have absolutely hated the last few years and pine for the days of travelling to Rochdale and Macclesfield.

Yep, what a ride they've been on. Who would have thought they would stay up this long. I would love it if against the odds Argyle made it to the top flight and in respect of another team, it better bloody happen soon. :sigh:

 

[Argylegames]

I'm sure Bournemouth fans have absolutely hated the last few years and pine for the days of travelling to Rochdale and Macclesfield.

You can't compare Bournemouth or Swansea with Salford!

 

[WoodsyGreen]

I'm sure Bournemouth fans have absolutely hated the last few years and pine for the days of travelling to Rochdale and Macclesfield.

You can't compare Bournemouth or Swansea with Salford!

I didn't. It was in response to Knibbsworth's comment about foreign owners.

And I didn't even mention Swansea :crazy:

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

Where is the PASOTI opinion on where the line is of how much should be allowed for an owner to put his own money into a club.

Is it Six million pounds or so to refurb a grandstand, or is it higher, or is it lower?

 

[davie nine]

It is very important that the owner is a SUPPORTER of the club that he owns.
In the last decade or so we have had 2 owners.
The first owner, James Brent, BECAME a supporter and took our club to a level that enabled a new owner to take over.
The new owner, Simon Hallett, was already a supporter and, fortunately from supporters’ point of view, he has been able to invest some of his wealth into our club.
I have no idea how much more he would be able to invest and, frankly, I don’t need to know.
I do know, because he has told us, that his objective is to make the club sustainable. This may take longer because of the current situation but I am very happy the future is in the hands of the Hallett family.

 

[signalspast]

I wouldnt bet against sometime in the future that we dont have some wealthy americans within the ownership of the club. Simon Hallets position within his employment would mean he is in contact with wealthy american citizens. I have no problem with this as long as the monies that go I to the club is as shares and not loans. That is what is being done at the moment with the only potential loser being Simon Hallett

 

[GreenThing]

Where is the PASOTI opinion on where the line is of how much should be allowed for an owner to put his own money into a club.

Is it Six million pounds or so to refurb a grandstand, or is it higher, or is it lower?

Pasoti is a forum for members to state their views, so Pasoti doesn’t have an opinion. The opinions of the members are varied.

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

Where is the PASOTI opinion on where the line is of how much should be allowed for an owner to put his own money into a club.

Is it Six million pounds or so to refurb a grandstand, or is it higher, or is it lower?

Pasoti is a forum for members to state their views, so Pasoti doesn’t have an opinion. The opinions of the members are varied.

That's what I meant GT. The opinion of those Plymouth Argyle Supporters On The Internet and not PASOTI the brand (and that's probably not the correct term either.)

My view is that anybody who puts their own money into any football club should be entitled to do so providing they do it in such a way that they can't snatch it back. In other words, beware of loans.

 

[xmastree]

It is very important that the owner is a SUPPORTER of the club that he owns.
In the last decade or so we have had 2 owners.
The first owner, James Brent, BECAME a supporter and took our club to a level that enabled a new owner to take over.
The new owner, Simon Hallett, was already a supporter and, fortunately from supporters’ point of view, he has been able to invest some of his wealth into our club.
I have no idea how much more he would be able to invest and, frankly, I don’t need to know.
I do know, because he has told us, that his objective is to make the club sustainable. This may take longer because of the current situation but I am very happy the future is in the hands of the Hallett family.

On the basis that a new owner (or substantial majority owner) is allowed to be seen as becoming a supporter, as Brent did, I struggle to find a scenario where an owner is not a supporter. Anyone who is investing personal funds in something as unpromising as a lower league football club, is surely by definition supporting that club in terms of underwriting the club's future. Anyone in such a situation is also going to strongly wish that the club is successful in what it does (emotional support), as this increases (though doesn't guarantee) the possibility that the club's value will rise. I don't think that any Argyle fan, at this time, can say that support means involves being at virtually every game, as the Hallett's location makes it impossible for them to attend regularly.

It's actually quite difficult to think of a potential financial investment that does not involve becoming a supporter of to whatever you are investing in.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Thats a very simplistic view of it LC.

What if Salford sign 6-8 players, similar to Sarce on 3 year deals and the owner is bored in 12 months time and walks - then what? A minimum of 8 salaries they cannot remotely afford on money they would generate. You cannot force an owner to stay on longer than he wants to.

As stated i saw close at hand what happened at Rushden, Max Griggs a very wealthy man decided to retire and devote time to his family (after what he had done, not one person begrudged him that) - he had created an empire the locals couldn't financially support, the ground is now derelict and the surrounding area used as a car boot sale on Sunday mornings.

Higher up the food chain ask Arsenal fans what they really think of their billionaire owner - who has zero interest in the comings and goings at the Emirates as long as he and his family can draw a wage/dividend and borrow against the value of the place.

Argyle maybe lucky/blessed to have Hallett, but without him we wouldn't have had the new stand and cut our cloth accordingly. We would survive without him because on our gates and catchment we'd have enough about us to run a League 1/2 club. Salford are continually funding something they cannot cover if hard times come!

 

[edengreen]

Thats a very simplistic view of it LC.

What if Salford sign 6-8 players, similar to Sarce on 3 year deals and the owner is bored in 12 months time and walks - then what? A minimum of 8 salaries they cannot remotely afford on money they would generate. You cannot force an owner to stay on longer than he wants to.

As stated i saw close at hand what happened at Rushden, Max Griggs a very wealthy man decided to retire and devote time to his family (after what he had done, not one person begrudged him that) - he had created an empire the locals couldn't financially support, the ground is now derelict and the surrounding area used as a car boot sale on Sunday mornings.

Higher up the food chain ask Arsenal fans what they really think of their billionaire owner - who has zero interest in the comings and goings at the Emirates as long as he and his family can draw a wage/dividend and borrow against the value of the place.

Argyle maybe lucky/blessed to have Hallett, but without him we wouldn't have had the new stand and cut our cloth accordingly. We would survive without him because on our gates and catchment we'd have enough about us to run a League 1/2 club. Salford are continually funding something they cannot cover if hard times come!

That last sentence is so pertinent to life in general and something I try to educate my kids on,they cant help being impressed with friends with the flashest cars, iphones etc or their parents with big houses or multiple houses. However no one can really know how things are for instance at Argyle during Ollie's time nobody realised it was that bad as we were signing the Macleans, Waltons & Mpenza of this worlds.You should manage yourself in accordance of your means and take any success that comes with that and enjoy it. I may not be the richest but I am certainly not the poorest but I am consistent, it was funny to me that those whos lifestyle appears to be so much greater than mine were those whining within 3 weeks off lockdown and obviously had nothing to fall back on and needed the state to intervene to save them from being homeless and hungary. Maybe they will remember these values when we all come out of this, somehow I doubt it though.

 

[German Shepherd]

Thats a very simplistic view of it LC.

What if Salford sign 6-8 players, similar to Sarce on 3 year deals and the owner is bored in 12 months time and walks - then what? A minimum of 8 salaries they cannot remotely afford on money they would generate. You cannot force an owner to stay on longer than he wants to.

As stated i saw close at hand what happened at Rushden, Max Griggs a very wealthy man decided to retire and devote time to his family (after what he had done, not one person begrudged him that) - he had created an empire the locals couldn't financially support, the ground is now derelict and the surrounding area used as a car boot sale on Sunday mornings.

Higher up the food chain ask Arsenal fans what they really think of their billionaire owner - who has zero interest in the comings and goings at the Emirates as long as he and his family can draw a wage/dividend and borrow against the value of the place.

Argyle maybe lucky/blessed to have Hallett, but without him we wouldn't have had the new stand and cut our cloth accordingly. We would survive without him because on our gates and catchment we'd have enough about us to run a League 1/2 club. Salford are continually funding something they cannot cover if hard times come!

That last sentence is so pertinent to life in general and something I try to educate my kids on,they cant help being impressed with friends with the flashest cars, iphones etc or their parents with big houses or multiple houses. However no one can really know how things are for instance at Argyle during Ollie's time nobody realised it was that bad as we were signing the Macleans, Waltons & Mpenza of this worlds.You should manage yourself in accordance of your means and take any success that comes with that and enjoy it. I may not be the richest but I am certainly not the poorest but I am consistent, it was funny to me that those whos lifestyle appears to be so much greater than mine were those whining within 3 weeks off lockdown and obviously had nothing to fall back on and needed the state to intervene to save them from being homeless and hungary. Maybe they will remember these values when we all come out of this, somehow I doubt it though.

To be fair to Holloway, who to me is a loathsome individual with regard to Argyle; I don't think he signed Mpenza, Maclean & Walton. It was Sturrock if my memory serves me right.

 

[rsp4]

Haven't bothered reading this topic through as it's old news.

Someone also commented on here who met or knew Sarcs that he was surprised by the rumours.

Now the Sun print old news or someone's random tweet and it jumps up the ladder.