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Very poor performance against a poor, physical side who managed to get us to play there way rather than ours, so happy we didn't lose to them my opinion of that whole club has gone way down hill but we must learn to play football our way against these teams rather than there way if we are to go up

McCormick 7 didn't do anything wrong no chance with the goal and very vocal, like to see that from a keeper
Mellor 6 could have pushed forward to help more but solid enough, very lucky not to be sent off
Nelson 7 solid but not spectacular
Hartley 7 I like him very good centre half but not helped by having to clean up after McHugh time and time again
McHugh 4 purrington please he can't do any worse than what I've seen from McHugh in the last 2 games, McHugh is very clearly a centre half playing at left back
Cox 5 ineffective and unfit I thought tonight Norburn was missed
O'Connor 6 does the dirty work well but looked a bit lost at times tonight
Alessandra 6 puts the effort in but there was very little from him tonight its a shame I am a fan of his
Harvey 5 shouldn't have played in a game like this he was bullied by Stevenage Walton on he pitch Westley off it couldn't play his game.
Banton 5 most frustrating player I think I've ever watched at Argyle brilliant on the ball useless and lazy off it
Reid 6 as others have said was scouted well by Stevenage he needs to get used to that the more he scores but put in a shift when he was largely on his own

Morgan 6 as frustrating as argyle fans find him I think opposition players do as well proper old school forward who has a brilliant work rate
Allen 6 ive been impressed with his cameos so far not to long before he starts a game I think
Smalley 7 thought he looked as lively as any Argyle player when he came won a lot of headers worked hard and it is a brave man to step forward and take a penalty in that kind of situation

Overall the game was poor but a point is a point and we move on to the next game COYG !

It was an interesting choice of penalty taker I wonder who would have taken it had he not been on at the time (assuming Reid was off). A penny for Banton's thoughts after an almost identical penalty to his a week before went in as the keeper dived out of the way rather than saving it this time.
 

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Looking on the positive side we kept fighting and didn't give up and salvaged a point despite a poor performance. Every point is a prisoner.
 
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Vile team, glad they didn't take all three points would have been a travesty to football.

Cheating gits, who knew all the black arts,

Move on to a proper club on Saturday.

This, and the worst part was when two of their players went down "injured" requiring treatment, only to be substituted to avoid the players concerned having to go off the pitch and reduce Stevenage to 10 men albeit temporarily.

They were a hideous team, and as for their coaching staff! Pushing Harvey around and then waiting to confront the ref who had to be escorted off well after the whistle had gone.

The ref was terrible, the worst ever, but Stevenage were the most cynical team and exploited the situation to try to win in a very dark way indeed.

As for Banton, yes he was poor like many tonight, but what many havent said is that defensively he was pretty good, constantly chasing back. From my point of view he was poor because he didnt have the back-up behind him in McHugh and constantly had to run back to cover.
 
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Well that was the week that was...exhilarating, unpredictable, dramatic, surprising, at times mesmerising but finally disappointing.

A three game week in which I came out of all of them exhausted but I came out of two of them very pleased. This was, it goes without saying, not the one that I found much to be positive about.

Walking out of Home Park post-Orient and post-Exeter I was full of vim and vigour about what looked to be the beginnings of a very promising team. I gave John Sheridan a lot of credit for forming it, motivating it and making the right changes. Today however, we saw the very worst of John Sheridan encapsulated and it's exactly why I still don't entirely trust him as a manager. A team made with one iffy selection- Cox clearly wasn't fit. I'd have given Allen a start with Harvey (disclaimer, neither of them are the messiah I know well well) and seen what he can do. Whatever they would have done, it'd surely have been better than 'one notch above sweet FA' which is what Cox contributed because he was clearly too unfit to make any meaningful impact. Also, McHugh is still not a left-back and never will be. Purrington is far from perfect- he was overrated last season and poor concentration contributed to a few goals conceded. However, I simply cannot imagine him being so utterly ill at ease with the position he's been allocated as McHugh. He just doesn't know where he should be positionally at any one time. He rarely overlaps for wide play on the left. And when he does he doesn't get back fast enough. The man is a centre-back- if that means he has to sit on the bench until he gets his chance to break into the team then so be it. But he is never in a million years a left-back. Playing Carl McHugh as a left-back is a masterclass in making a promising, likeable new signing who came with rave reviews into a complete flop. Let's cease it.

The other disappointment was the subs. Allen never got in the game and showed that in spite of his undoubted promise he still has some way to go yet. Morgan was more like his self of last season than the improved specimen which we saw in the last two games- didn't do nearly enough harrying up front which to be frank, is all he can do really. Smalley was a fresh pair of legs and he made himself available but his end product until the penalty was absolutely atrocious. It just about summed the game up that he fell over when he was nowhere near the ball. Great penalty though and I admired how determined he was to be the one to take it.

Our performance for 97 or so minutes was on the whole negative, morale-sapping and very uncreative. Even in extra time, heads were drooping against the ground. A decent spell of play for about a minute or so before the penalty was just about the only thing we troubled them with in the whole of the last 10 minutes which is pretty appalling really. I think it's fairly obvious what was at the root of such a tepid display. We played very well against Exeter and Orient who were two teams who gave us a game of football on similar terms. When we were up against a team who played nasty, cynical hoofball which we haven't really come up against so far, we were then faced with a challenge. Do we continue to play our own game and make things happen or do we reduce to their level, not attack very much and try too many hopeful long balls? Sadly, what we did was the latter when we should have done the former. When we did try and play attacking football, there were spells where we didn't look too bad. In those spells, Harvey shone out as a threat too. Sadly, those spells were few and far between. For most of the game, we had a complete headloss, abandoned our initial plans and tried to mimic Stevenage's play. And of course in those moments Tyler was completely useless. Next time, let's play our own game and not try to do a pastiche of an opposition purely because we haven't played against a team of their style yet. Because the rare occasions that we threatened, were the occasions that we played it on the deck. A lesson to be learned.

McCormick did most of what he had to do well- although I'll need to see the goal again. Mellor was one of our better (less bad) outfield players who defended generally very well but needs to be doubly decisive going forward. Doesn't offer enough in that regard at all. Nelson and Hartley were patchy- not quite the below par performances that they put in against Orient but far from their majestic presence against Exeter. Both of them struggled badly on crosses in the air.

Alessandra for me is not cutting it so far this season, one very good game against Exeter excepted. If ever there's a confidence player, it is him. When he's got it, he will take players on, get past them, run around like a duracell bunny charging people down and score goals. When he's not got it, he will look like a little lost lamb off the ball and make the most conservative pass possible every time he receives the ball. Very poor game today. Banton will get slated for his second half display but I thought he was the only forward player in the first that was consistently showing for the ball even when those around him lost their heads in a sea of hoofball. That said, all that he tried to do in the second half went poorly. Last season though, he wouldn't have even been trying to do the things which is a more acceptable type of poo. I think he badly needs a goal for his confidence. Reid didn't move off the ball very well and in a game where he wasn't getting much good service, that's something he needs to do. Hints of promise and he's still our best player but had a poor game today.

Cox wasn't fit. Harvey wasn't suited to the game. O'Connor was very busy as usual and has half of the attributes needed to be a superb DM. He covered an absolutely insane amount of ground against Exeter and I said he had all the hallmarks of a player you'd see in a promotion side. I still stand by that, based on his off the ball work. His distribution however, simply does not cut the mustard and it nearly cost us a goal today. I really hope he can work on that side of his game because it's all that's stopping him being sublime for us.

Aside from our comical performance, that utter clown of a referee really does make you wonder how bad you have to be to be booted off the listings. Every single foul that was committed he seemed to miss and he made up several non-existant fouls that oddly enough seemed to come on the rare occasions that we were in a good position. We can only blame ourselves for such a turgid performance but up until minute 98, it would certainly be fair to say that the referee didn't help us. I'd need to see both the Mellor yellow card controversy and the penalty decision again- but my first instinct was that both of them were the correct decision. Their man should have walked for the elbow on Lewi- as should their manager for raising his hands to an opposition player. It should have been 11-10 on the pitch and 1-0 in the dugouts. Though with Sheridan's subs today, I'm not sure whether that would have made any difference or not. Stevenage are one nasty teams of illegitimates- if there's one team I hope we do good and proper this season, it's them up at their place. Typical Westley team who suck all the life out of the game. It was almost as good to get one over on them as it was to equalise.

On the whole, we got lucky. The one occasion in the last 10-15 minutes in which we bothered applying pressure got us a penalty kick. That said, these things do sort of even themselves out and no doubt there'll be a game soon when we're unlucky. Still, it wasn't good. A poor game but one which we were saved nasty scenes of booing at the end by one fantastic moment. It may not have taken away from the 97 minutes of trash that preceded it but it did provide one moment of euphoria that nonetheless sent me out of the ground with a grin on my face. We need to seriously step it up a bit at Bury and stop pooping ourselves every time a team plays in a way that we don't expect. Drop McHugh, drop Harvey (as much as I like him) and let's shake things up a bit. Because we can do a lot better than that. Good week, felt I got my money's worth for certain. And on the positive side at least we didn't lose, as Sheridan says. But a crap game- performance was miles below what we are capable of.

McCormick 7 MOTM

Mellor 6
Nelson 6
Hartley 6
McHugh 4

O'Connor 6
Cox 3
Harvey 5

Alessandra 3
Banton 4
Reid 5

Allen 4
Morgan 5
Smalley 4
 

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It's all been said. Two poor teams, a useless ref for both sides. Mellor lucky not to see red, as were a couple of their palyers who used elbows which the ref didn't see but 6,000 odd people did.

Argyle were lucky that Stevenage were so poor, as a good team would have taken us to the cleaners tonight. We were so poor both as individuals and as a team.

Felt sorry for Reid, about the only service he got was from Luke's kick outs. Sadly the defender won most of the battles and Reid was pulled up every time he actually managed to win the ball, for handball.

If the Birmingham scout was down watching Banton, I reckon he would have got back to Bristol before the full time whistle went. Surely he wouldn't have bothered to stay for the whole game. I am struggling to think of such an inept Argyle player's performance at Home Park, he was awful.

O'Connor was also very disappointing compared to previous games. He gave the ball away umpteen times, a few of which could easily have cost us.

Mellor played ok and Alessandra worked hard through out. Luke had little to do, the rest were average at best.

I thank the Lord for Ivor Dewdney, for without one of his pasties tonight, I would have had no highlight at all !
 
That was really really awful.
Argyle were error strewn and awful.
Watching stevenage was like a visit to the dentist. Awful.
The ref was diabolically awful.
Then i had to leave early for my bus and missed the pen which added to the awfulness.
It was like men against boys for us on saturday.
Tonight, it looked like we were the boys being bullied.
A 4231 is supposedly an attacking quick tempo short passing system and yet we continued to hoof head high stuff to reid and morgan. Their number 3 was gobbling it all up. To feet guys. Pass and move quickly.
Or if you have to go long at least have somebody nearby for the second balls and lay offs.
At least we didnt lose but it was very disappointing considering the confidence they must have
gained after saturday. An inconsistent team again? Probably too early to tell yet.
Positives
1.The defenders and GK stood up to be counted. Mellor my MOM.
2.Credit for trying to the end.
3.The reward a 1-1 draw.
Negatives
1.Outmuscled and outfought.
2.Too static and slow when in possesion.
3.Way too many errors. A lot unforced.
4.All of 4 of our attacking players were dominated by their opponents.
From a really enjoyable league match to this tosh in just 4 days.
Dont you just love english football.
 
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Well that was frustration personified .Argyle had no creative spark at all and allowed Stevenage to outmuscle them all over the field .This was deeply worrying as their will be several teams we will come up against who will try to do a job on us(maybe not mastering the dark arts as much as a Graham Westley team)How long did it take Charlie Lee to depart the field at the end?They paid the penalty for that in the end .
However it does not disguise the fact that we never looked like penetrating their defence .Reuben Reid had one of those nights where he was continually being pulled up for offences .
We may have looked half decent against a team that let us play on Saturday,but their will be plenty more teams in the mould of Stevenage .
 
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In hindsight would it have been worth sticking Wotton in the side for an hour against a bunch of thugs?
If we were defending a lead, yes. Chasing it, nah. Agreed he should have been named amongst the subs.
 

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Apart from the Exeter and Bristol Rovers games last night was our highest Tuesday night attendance (6,240) since we returned to League Two, in fact the game against Bristol Rovers in 2012 only attracted 63 more fans than last night.

That is fantastic support from the Argyle fans, especially when you consider the limited number of Stevenage fans at the game :clap:
 

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A lot of excuses being made for a woeful performance last night here. Hyperbole about the ref (who probably helped us more than he hindered us) and the opposition (I've seen far more cynical outfits than Stevenage. Wonder how many people will complain if we come away from Bury with a point playing like they did).

The sad thing is, had they not scored Sheridan would have in all probability allowed the game to aimlessly peter out to a nil-nil draw when, as the home team we should be taking the initiative and looking at ways of breaking down well drilled, stubborn defences. if we are going to be anywhere near challenging for a play-off spot then more and more teams will come to HP and look to stifle us...that Stevenage found this so easy to do is a worry.

I lost count of how many times McCormick launched from hands in Reid's general direction...a tactic that clearly wasn't working...especially given the paucity of support Reid had alongside him. What happened to the rolling / bowling out that he preferred on Saturday.

The left side is a cause for real concern...is Sheridan going to take 46 games to work out that McHugh is more out of position at left back than a Wetherspoons in Riyadh? Yet again their goal came from that side from a McHugh error (although there was no sign of Nelson covering the guy who scored...incidentally, where would Morgan have put that header?)...This isn't a McHugh witch hunt either - the poor lad is chronically out of position - its almost like Sheridan bought him, so Sheridan WILL play him, no matter what. I make it that pretty much every goal we've conceded this season has resulted from attacks down that wing.
I lost track of how many times Hartley had possession of the ball in the LB position because he'd had to come across and clean up the mess.
As for Banton in front of him! For all those saying 'he tracks back more' - he may do, but he can't tackle and he has a very bad habit of waiting for the ball to arrive at him and is robbed of possession time and time again because he seems to believe he has more time than any other player. He seldom beats his man...a fact that isn't helped by the fact that McHugh is never in a million years going to overlap and give him any attacking support. Personally I can't see how Tope Odebayi wouldn't actually be more of a handful than Banton in that position....he was raw, but at least he had a bit of bustle and was direct, Banton wants to show the world how many step overs he can do before he'll cross it (invariably against the first man). It baffles me that since his first loan spell with us when he was so destructive playing behind Reid in no-man's land where the opposition had a nightmare trying to pick him up that he's never been played there again.

Also, is Reid not allowed to play up front as part of a 2 man attack or something? Instead of taking him off, why not try bringing someone on along side him to open up space for him?

Having said all that it must be pretty soul destroying as a player to run out 3 days after tonking the arch-rivals to se the crowd halved - that really is pretty tinpot.
 

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A lot of excuses being made for a woeful performance last night here. Hyperbole about the ref (who probably helped us more than he hindered us) and the opposition (I've seen far more cynical outfits than Stevenage. Wonder how many people will complain if we come away from Bury with a point playing like they did).

The sad thing is, had they not scored Sheridan would have in all probability allowed the game to aimlessly peter out to a nil-nil draw when, as the home team we should be taking the initiative and looking at ways of breaking down well drilled, stubborn defences. if we are going to be anywhere near challenging for a play-off spot then more and more teams will come to HP and look to stifle us...that Stevenage found this so easy to do is a worry.

I lost count of how many times McCormick launched from hands in Reid's general direction...a tactic that clearly wasn't working...especially given the paucity of support Reid had alongside him. What happened to the rolling / bowling out that he preferred on Saturday.

The left side is a cause for real concern...is Sheridan going to take 46 games to work out that McHugh is more out of position at left back than a Wetherspoons in Riyadh? Yet again their goal came from that side from a McHugh error (although there was no sign of Nelson covering the guy who scored...incidentally, where would Morgan have put that header?)...This isn't a McHugh witch hunt either - the poor lad is chronically out of position - its almost like Sheridan bought him, so Sheridan WILL play him, no matter what. I make it that pretty much every goal we've conceded this season has resulted from attacks down that wing.
I lost track of how many times Hartley had possession of the ball in the LB position because he'd had to come across and clean up the mess.
As for Banton in front of him! For all those saying 'he tracks back more' - he may do, but he can't tackle and he has a very bad habit of waiting for the ball to arrive at him and is robbed of possession time and time again because he seems to believe he has more time than any other player. He seldom beats his man...a fact that isn't helped by the fact that McHugh is never in a million years going to overlap and give him any attacking support. Personally I can't see how Tope Odebayi wouldn't actually be more of a handful than Banton in that position....he was raw, but at least he had a bit of bustle and was direct, Banton wants to show the world how many step overs he can do before he'll cross it (invariably against the first man). It baffles me that since his first loan spell with us when he was so destructive playing behind Reid in no-man's land where the opposition had a nightmare trying to pick him up that he's never been played there again.

Also, is Reid not allowed to play up front as part of a 2 man attack or something? Instead of taking him off, why not try bringing someone on along side him to open up space for him?

Having said all that it must be pretty soul destroying as a player to run out 3 days after tonking the arch-rivals to se the crowd halved - that really is pretty tinpot.

Patrick, the crowd wasn't halved.
 

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You're not suggesting that Janners are apathetic, surely?

I agree with some of your points, but I haven't seen a 'nasty' team like that since Sheff Utd in the CCC.

IF Argyle ever played like that, I wouldn't come to watch them, it's as simple as that.