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Football crowds coming back? (October. Update - paused)
- Thread starter GreenThing
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Nationally, they are saying that about 1 in 1800 are infected at present. Probably less than that in the southwest. So if we said 1 in 2000 just to round the figures up, that means in a crowd of 12000 there would possibly be six people in the ground with the infection. Sort of puts things in perspective a bit, given that by the time September comes it could be much lower than that, in the absence of the second :wave:
So if they had temperature checks at each turnstile (not difficult- even Next were doing that this week) plus hand sanitiser, as a condition of entry, the risk would surely be minimal. I’m sure there will be supporters who would decide to stay away and I would totally respect that. Some would wear face masks of course. I’ve had my health issues this year which have seen me in hospital several times, but I will be at HP and Hillsborough like a shot, if and when crowds get the go ahead. Both teams could be in L1 the way things are going. :facepalm:
So if they had temperature checks at each turnstile (not difficult- even Next were doing that this week) plus hand sanitiser, as a condition of entry, the risk would surely be minimal. I’m sure there will be supporters who would decide to stay away and I would totally respect that. Some would wear face masks of course. I’ve had my health issues this year which have seen me in hospital several times, but I will be at HP and Hillsborough like a shot, if and when crowds get the go ahead. Both teams could be in L1 the way things are going. :facepalm:
Devongreenowl":1id0bsio said:
6 in the ground are infected. R rate of 3. That means 18 by end of game. They all go home to their families....
Devongreenowl":3cpnvfjb said:
Totally agree with you DGO, hopefully by September things will be even better than they are now and a good 50% or more of capacity will be allowed in with the right precautions in place.
As mentioned by others the green taverners might be able to open again in July and im sure there are a lot of hungry/thirsty people walking and cycling around Central Park and maybe they could use some of the outdoor space available to them such as the adjacent car park or a bit of the nearby park area to provide that service to the general public using the park? Throw in a bit of live music/entertainment and they have the opportunity to make up some of their lost revenue whilst providing a lot of people with an alternative to the barbican for an outside meal/drink. From what im reading the local authority are encouraging licensed establishments to embrace the so called cafe culture this summer and the GT's have a the ideal location to enable this. Im positive it would be very popular if the council allowed it.
Balham_Green":243epm0m said:
The r rate has only been at that sort of level right at the beginning, so you should have said WAS not IS. One would have to be a complete pessimist to forecast a return to anything like that number. Despite protest marches and less adherence to distancing over recent weeks, there has been minimal increase in the r rate and the infection numbers, hence the loosening of restrictions announced today. It is accepted that the r rate is heavily influenced by residents of care homes and I don’t think many of those will be seeking to attend football. The relatively high proportion of elderly in the south west is probably why our r rate is currently amongst the highest at about 0.9.
Devongreenowl":17yxojya said:
Nope IS. That IS the infection rate without distancing. Shall I say it again? In parts of Germany its nearing that. Irresponsible to ignore it.
Devongreenowl":39d6f444 said:
From listening to the daily briefing yesterday, the scientist seemed concerned about what might happen in the winter, he seemed to imply we will may have to wait until spring next year before all restrictions are lifted and then only if the virus doesn’t come back over the winter.
The reduction from 2m to 1m+ is only permissible if mitigations are used. The most common mitigation would be the use of face coverings. So if spectators were allowed back in, I expect face coverings would be mandatory similar to public transport.
It’s going to happen by October or possibly even before. If the rate of infection keeps falling across the summer, there will be no good reason for it not to. Some of the inconsistencies in policy need sorting out. I mean, no cricket yet! What’s that all about? Infection on the ball. For gods sake.
Devongreenowl":3p4ltnzw said:
The issue with spectator sports is not so much the risk when you are sat in your seat, but the risks are from how you get to the event, what you do before and after the event and the social interactions at the event.
Perhaps the rules may be don’t use public transport to get to a match, don’t go to a pub before or after, when you get to the ground don’t socialise outside but go straight in and go straight to your seat and don’t move from it until the final whistle. On the final whistle stay in your seat until a steward permits you to leave enforcing the 1m+ social distancing with your family group or on your own.
I think, with some organisation, it wouldn’t take too much to get ‘crowds’ into Home Park.
Masks encouraged (but not compulsory)
Hand sanitizer dispensers abundantly available.
Every other row empty.
Every other seat in the occupied rows empty.
Tickets sold only online (ST holders first).
Members can link accounts to get tickets ‘together’ (still alternate seats).
Tickets sold ONLY IN BLOCKS, not specific seats.
Turnstile operators behind screens.
Specific turnstiles for each block, concourse taped off, one way system, no outlets open.
Rows filled from one end only.
Tickets (with block no. clearly marked) checked by steward at block.
Blocks filled by row from the bottom up AND the top down (your choice) ONLY (not in the middle) every other seat must be filled in the occupied rows.
As each row gets near full the stewards ask for group numbers to fill the row (as happens at theme park rides)
Exit would be by row from the front, directed by stewards, everybody stays in their seat until the row in front is empty.
Leave the same way you came in.
Toilets would be the biggest problem but with no concessions open and only around 25% capacity, toilet use would be well down.
The best way would be to exit/enter the block in the same direction it was filled but using the empty row in front of yours. Climbing over shouldn’t be a problem for most people but I accept it could be for some.
The number of people in the toilets at any time and subsequent queueing could be organised in the same way as happens now with shops.
This is all really with the horseshoe in mind, I don’t know the interior layout in the grandstand and how different it would need to be there.
And that’s about it - simples!
This is all a lot of faff - necessary, but still faff - but if publicised clearly beforehand and directed and stewarded properly, it would only take one game for people to get to grips with it.
It would probably need a small army of new people to steward this, not necessarily the current ‘security’ stewards but it’s really not rocket science.
Not ideal by any stretch but better for everyone than the stadium being totally empty.
Masks encouraged (but not compulsory)
Hand sanitizer dispensers abundantly available.
Every other row empty.
Every other seat in the occupied rows empty.
Tickets sold only online (ST holders first).
Members can link accounts to get tickets ‘together’ (still alternate seats).
Tickets sold ONLY IN BLOCKS, not specific seats.
Turnstile operators behind screens.
Specific turnstiles for each block, concourse taped off, one way system, no outlets open.
Rows filled from one end only.
Tickets (with block no. clearly marked) checked by steward at block.
Blocks filled by row from the bottom up AND the top down (your choice) ONLY (not in the middle) every other seat must be filled in the occupied rows.
As each row gets near full the stewards ask for group numbers to fill the row (as happens at theme park rides)
Exit would be by row from the front, directed by stewards, everybody stays in their seat until the row in front is empty.
Leave the same way you came in.
Toilets would be the biggest problem but with no concessions open and only around 25% capacity, toilet use would be well down.
The best way would be to exit/enter the block in the same direction it was filled but using the empty row in front of yours. Climbing over shouldn’t be a problem for most people but I accept it could be for some.
The number of people in the toilets at any time and subsequent queueing could be organised in the same way as happens now with shops.
This is all really with the horseshoe in mind, I don’t know the interior layout in the grandstand and how different it would need to be there.
And that’s about it - simples!
This is all a lot of faff - necessary, but still faff - but if publicised clearly beforehand and directed and stewarded properly, it would only take one game for people to get to grips with it.
It would probably need a small army of new people to steward this, not necessarily the current ‘security’ stewards but it’s really not rocket science.
Not ideal by any stretch but better for everyone than the stadium being totally empty.
Thinking it through a bit more, I don't think even 25 percent can be achieved.
To get 1 metre distancing everyone needs to be sat in the middle of a circle or bubble 2 meters wide.
Also pandemics often have 2 legs, killing the most in autumn.
To get 1 metre distancing everyone needs to be sat in the middle of a circle or bubble 2 meters wide.
Also pandemics often have 2 legs, killing the most in autumn.
