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Sheridan has (allegedly) lost the dressing room.
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argylewiseguy":29kbz1t4 said:
Other players have sung his praises. Not everyone will gel right. Don't forget Sheridan wants players to argue and question him, he wants some fight in them. None of them have the guts to approach him. If a player wants to bitch behind his back, let him - it's a poor reflection on that individual rather than Sheridan.
argylewiseguy":ane77npf said:
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Returning to the original point of this thread, I think JS has done an okay job this season. He has saved us by a point at the end of last season, when to be fair, we were checking out the drinking establishments around Forest Green's ground and looking forward to another trip to Aldershot :roll:. To finish this season just outside the playoffs, with, and I admit it, a LOT of deadwood players who are inconsistent at best, is no mean feat. The way the season has tailed off has set the moaners off, calling for blood. It's painful turning up to watch us unable to pass forward, to look and see our players in space, etc. The bottom line for me is that I can accept the end of the season, and JS in charge, but next season has to be promotion, nothing else will satisfy even the greenest of tints.
JS has an ideal opportunity to clear out and get in players to get us up. I'm sure he knows who he wants and probably knows what his budget is already. We could, and should be top three all through 2014/5.
Cerbera":wmi7qelz said:
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In terms of "returning to the original point of this thread", I believe that my comments did not actually veer from it but directly engaged with the topic at hand: please see the thread's title - "Sheridan has lost the dressing room". :banghead:
Andy in Peverell":3tg1i0c1 said:
Again you have to question the wisdom of a PASOTI poster getting excited by signing a lower league journey man midfielder from Accrington, he is 29 this summer so hardly a hot young prospect. When Argyle let him go let's see where he ends up.
You could take most of the current posts on PASOTI and filter them straight in to any thread from 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 years ago and they wouldn't look out of place. The only thing different is the names being discussed. The problems are exactly the same and it's the same old things being said over and over again.
Should we change the manager? yes or no.
Should we get rid of player X? yes or no.
A few reinforcements in position X and we'll be pushing for promotion.
The wrong subs at the wrong time.
Tactics all wrong.
Players not good enough standard.
As I see it we've changed all those things multiple times over the last 6 years and in all possible combinations thereof multiplied again. It hasn't made a blind bit of difference. The team today shares the exact same characteristics as Luggy Mk2's team that slid out of the Championshiop. Can't pass, can't keep possession, hoof merchants, tactically inept manager and can't come back from going a goal behind.
In my view it's the whole structure and direction of the club that is defective. We need an executive and a management team in place that have a vision and a plan. We need to transform the style of play to modern passing football and install management, players and staff around that overarching vision. Everyone at the club has to know and understand what that vision is, including the fans. I'm a fan and I have no idea what Sheridan or Brents plans and vision are, on the pitch at least.
I get the impression at Argyle that there is no style, approach, plan or overarching vision. It seems as though each game is just hit and hope on the back of a fag packet where we just try to scrap out a win any old way we can.
Not good enough in this day and age.
Should we change the manager? yes or no.
Should we get rid of player X? yes or no.
A few reinforcements in position X and we'll be pushing for promotion.
The wrong subs at the wrong time.
Tactics all wrong.
Players not good enough standard.
As I see it we've changed all those things multiple times over the last 6 years and in all possible combinations thereof multiplied again. It hasn't made a blind bit of difference. The team today shares the exact same characteristics as Luggy Mk2's team that slid out of the Championshiop. Can't pass, can't keep possession, hoof merchants, tactically inept manager and can't come back from going a goal behind.
In my view it's the whole structure and direction of the club that is defective. We need an executive and a management team in place that have a vision and a plan. We need to transform the style of play to modern passing football and install management, players and staff around that overarching vision. Everyone at the club has to know and understand what that vision is, including the fans. I'm a fan and I have no idea what Sheridan or Brents plans and vision are, on the pitch at least.
I get the impression at Argyle that there is no style, approach, plan or overarching vision. It seems as though each game is just hit and hope on the back of a fag packet where we just try to scrap out a win any old way we can.
Not good enough in this day and age.
argylewiseguy":2oww5z48 said:
I humbly apologise.
And in view of the mod edit, I'll not labour the point, but it's not just my view.
As you were.
For what it's worth and regardless of whether the dressing room has been lost ( surely we could afford some signs Hahaha ) , the majority of us would consider that this is Sheridan's team .He has pretty much been able to bring in the players he wanted to supplement those who were already here .He ought to have known therefore at the start of the season that they were a quiet bunch and needed some tougher more argumentative more abrasive individuals in the squad but instead brought in additional just as quiet players . If I had to have an argument with Blanchard or Blizzard or Coughlin or Aljofree I know which I would prefer .
I wish he would stop trying to force square pegs into round holes . We have what we have . This is the squad which nearly did for Port Vale in the cup remember .We just seemed to have stopped playing like that . Trotman ( or Wotton or Blizzard for that matter ) would be better in back four . A back 3 worked when we switched to it because we were up against it ( Mansfield ) but in general it hasn't . We do not have the players to make that system work so play a system that suits the players we have .
If we hadn't got on the verge of the play offs the majority of us would probably have said there has been progress - slow but still progress . It is the frustration I believe from getting there and falling apart instead of pushing on that has caused a lot of the complaints on here .
John Sheridan is what he is ok . He doesn't rant and shout on the touchline . I get that . So put someone alongside him who is . Paul Sturrock was not always shouting and cajoling but Kevin Summerfield and Paul Maxwell generally were .
If you had a free hand what size squad would you propose for next season and who out of this years squad would you keep .
I wish he would stop trying to force square pegs into round holes . We have what we have . This is the squad which nearly did for Port Vale in the cup remember .We just seemed to have stopped playing like that . Trotman ( or Wotton or Blizzard for that matter ) would be better in back four . A back 3 worked when we switched to it because we were up against it ( Mansfield ) but in general it hasn't . We do not have the players to make that system work so play a system that suits the players we have .
If we hadn't got on the verge of the play offs the majority of us would probably have said there has been progress - slow but still progress . It is the frustration I believe from getting there and falling apart instead of pushing on that has caused a lot of the complaints on here .
John Sheridan is what he is ok . He doesn't rant and shout on the touchline . I get that . So put someone alongside him who is . Paul Sturrock was not always shouting and cajoling but Kevin Summerfield and Paul Maxwell generally were .
If you had a free hand what size squad would you propose for next season and who out of this years squad would you keep .
Aināt that the truth.fishypilgrim":1rdlxqz1 said:
Luggy Mk 1 used to say āāmy way or the highwayāā and JS is basically saying the same. If players want to rebel and cause a split then he will, rightly, send them on a long holiday (his words from the BBC article). If they find his managerial style abrasive or distant then they have 2 choices ā stay or go. They would be wise to glance through the PFA list of players without clubs.
I also wonder on what experience some posters are discussing managerial skills. Different managers have different approaches and there is never one approach that always works. By releasing his comments to the BBC article he is now putting his reputation on the public line for next season and he deserves to at least see out the contract before he is truly judged.
Give JS a chance to finish the job. The league is so tight that we may end up in 10th or 12th place but so what? Many would have still moaned had we finished 9th but 10 points above the team in 10th. Like us last season there are fans at 7 clubs still bricking it at the thought of Forest Green, Eastleigh and even ā¦ā¦ā¦ Excretia :lol: (On my knees now :nworthy: praying āāplease Lord you owe me a favourāā)
Sorry Tony but Sheridan has really lost me. I agree with you that at the start of the season Iād have taken a top half finish gladly (although that may not happen) ā so itās not to do with the results per se and itās not impatience either.
Itās just in my book a half-decent manager should tick at least a couple of boxes marked a) TACTICAL NOUS, b) STRATEGIC ABILITY and c) CLUB LEADERSHIP.
In terms of a) TACTICAL NOUS I think even the most pro-Sheridan fans would accept heās shown very little ability to change games, react to changes by the opposition or set-up teams with a specific game plan.
But tactics are short term stuff and we could forgive that if he scores well in the STRATGIC ABILITY category. Well this one is much more debatable but what does it for me is the football it has been shocking far too often and I just cannot see what heās trying to do. There is no pattern, no style and no plan that I can see. At least Fletch tried to get us to play a passing style ā not often effectively but you could at least see what he wanted. We could see what Luggy wanted, what Holloway wanted, and even in the chaotic atmosphere that poor old Peter Reid operated in we could see something of what he wanted. So what is Sheridanās style? Iām buggered if I know. His recruitment and selections give no indication whatsoever and appear to be completely haphazard punts to me. I canāt help wondering if the apparent progress is down to luck as much as judgement. We consistently have less than 50% possession even in games weāve won during our recent purple patch ā without Reidās run of form where would we be? As you say itās a close league ā are we just fortunate to have fallen the right side of the thin line?
Then finally what about CLUB LEADERSHIP? Well he must score almost as badly here as for tactical nous. His PR skills are poor. Itās a dour ājust-doing-my-jobā demeanour that isnāt exactly inspirational and he hasnāt appeared to form any kind of bond with fans, club, city or region. After Hollowayās antics Iām not looking for another ācharacterā and happy to have a manger that ājust does a jobā but apparently calling fans idiots for querying a substitution and asides about the players who āwouldnāt be at a club like thisā if they had the ability heād like (or words to that affect) are pretty tactless and avoidable gaffs.
So on balance I think we could do a good deal better than Sheridan ā or at least try to - while we still have the luxury of taking our time.
Itās just in my book a half-decent manager should tick at least a couple of boxes marked a) TACTICAL NOUS, b) STRATEGIC ABILITY and c) CLUB LEADERSHIP.
In terms of a) TACTICAL NOUS I think even the most pro-Sheridan fans would accept heās shown very little ability to change games, react to changes by the opposition or set-up teams with a specific game plan.
But tactics are short term stuff and we could forgive that if he scores well in the STRATGIC ABILITY category. Well this one is much more debatable but what does it for me is the football it has been shocking far too often and I just cannot see what heās trying to do. There is no pattern, no style and no plan that I can see. At least Fletch tried to get us to play a passing style ā not often effectively but you could at least see what he wanted. We could see what Luggy wanted, what Holloway wanted, and even in the chaotic atmosphere that poor old Peter Reid operated in we could see something of what he wanted. So what is Sheridanās style? Iām buggered if I know. His recruitment and selections give no indication whatsoever and appear to be completely haphazard punts to me. I canāt help wondering if the apparent progress is down to luck as much as judgement. We consistently have less than 50% possession even in games weāve won during our recent purple patch ā without Reidās run of form where would we be? As you say itās a close league ā are we just fortunate to have fallen the right side of the thin line?
Then finally what about CLUB LEADERSHIP? Well he must score almost as badly here as for tactical nous. His PR skills are poor. Itās a dour ājust-doing-my-jobā demeanour that isnāt exactly inspirational and he hasnāt appeared to form any kind of bond with fans, club, city or region. After Hollowayās antics Iām not looking for another ācharacterā and happy to have a manger that ājust does a jobā but apparently calling fans idiots for querying a substitution and asides about the players who āwouldnāt be at a club like thisā if they had the ability heād like (or words to that affect) are pretty tactless and avoidable gaffs.
So on balance I think we could do a good deal better than Sheridan ā or at least try to - while we still have the luxury of taking our time.
:clap: to Ave_IT.
That post captures my own feelings on Sheridan very well too.
We have a manager who, for the last couple of weeks, has repeatedly said that he cannot explain why the form of his team has slumped. Isn't that rather admitting that he doesn't know what he is doing? If the manager of the team doesn't know what the problem is then how is he going to be able to identify suitable solutions other than by being lucky?
That post captures my own feelings on Sheridan very well too.
We have a manager who, for the last couple of weeks, has repeatedly said that he cannot explain why the form of his team has slumped. Isn't that rather admitting that he doesn't know what he is doing? If the manager of the team doesn't know what the problem is then how is he going to be able to identify suitable solutions other than by being lucky?
